he must think there is possible criminal acttist that has occurred that he needs to give his version of. again, it's hard to say that it would have been completely exculpatory. but then, you know, second, just this whole kind of dance between representing the office of the president and donald j. trump. by the way, i think this representation by the president that he just let him go forward is wrong. he probably won wouldn't have had a choice under executive privilege or attorney/client privilege. but i think the basic point, you know, he has been in washington. he has seen history. right. i'm not going to be the rat. remember john dean's statement when he told the press, you know, if they're fitting me for this outfit. they got the wrong guy. unlike some of these other people, mcgahn has a future a stand income town will go to lunches and be in future federalist society meetings, has done the heroic work with the supreme court. he doesn't want to go down with the ship. >> ultimately, they ask is any guy worth going to prison for?