mccain in 2000 on that sort of improbable run that he made against george w. bush when h he really earned for all of the country that nickname of maverick. >> yeah. well, he -- he was a rascal. he -- he was driven by honor. his entire focus was serving with honor. but he was also human and he knew his flaws and he was very hard on himself. because he was a -- you know, a flawed person like all of us. so, and he was in the political world where you spend half your time trying to navigate mindfields with honor and the other half of your time suffering fools which it took him some patience to do. so it was a lot of fun. >> i'm not sure he actually had the patience. i don't know that -- >> i think he had pretty remarkable patience. i was around a lot of the fools he was suffering and it was pretty remarkable in 2000. i think the whole temper thing's overrated. i think people miss it which is