close to the president, sometimes on the record in public, is you can't let him talk because he lies whenever he talks. so you've got to help us out here and let us let him give written answers. >> it sounds like he's lawyers think he's a human perjury trap. when they're involved, they can sit with him, write the answers, make sure they're consistent with other things that have been written in the case. and that's why i think robert mummer would much prefer to have him live and ultimately the attorneys would want to have him live. you can ask follow-up questions which is incredibly important. they'll continue to fight for the deposition. >> i want to bring in "the new york times" investigative reporter who filed breakthrough investigative pieces in the me too movement and the president. megan, you've been following the case. it's interesting here this is a defamation case. it's not the sort of underlying conduct, but the president kunling out akun coming out and saying this woman