out. and i also want to say the pardon is of much lesser value because there are a whole lot of state crimes and when he -- when you listen to that lawyer for 40 minutes and then said i'm guilty, some of the crimes are state offenses as well. and so if he does chicken out and clam up, he has state liability as well. >> virtually all of the banking ones could be brought in a state court. the lobbying not as much but the banking stuff. >> and it would be right in his home state of new york where there are unfriendlies at every level, including the likely next attorney general. i want to play for you the defense donald trump is down to and his remaining defenders and rudy giuliani his tv lawyer touted this out on hannity on friday. >> the plea agreement has -- and cooperation agreement has nothing to do with the trump campaign. reality is no evidence of collusion. look at the plea. it is to crimes that have to do with manafort's past and no involvement with president
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