though they couldn't make the documents available until the end of october. everything about this has been an abdication of responsibility. and that's why we're in this moment. that's why the country is dreading this moment. >> my question to you, nan, now there is this monday hearing. there is the question, can that be the domain in which this is fairly adjudicated in any way? >> i think it's going to be difficult. after all, two of the republicans on the committee now, who include orrin hatch, were there during anita hill's hearing. i think there needs to be pressure put, scrutiny on brett kavanagh rather than on dr. ford. and i think every senator who champions women, who is an advocate for women, at the end of the day and at the end of that hearing, simply cannot vote