side of the american democracy and i think that the truth -- i us think there's an overwhelming sense that's building that the truth, whatever it may be, is going to be found out by the american people. and i think as that happens and moves forward, the president is increasingly desperate and isolated. >> and looking at cohen as a witness that certainly how he depenfends some of his intimidation. i wonder how you see him intel for mueller and a potential witness if there are later tries and let's keep in mind and play the recording doesn't make him that great a lawyer to donald trump's point. most aren't supposed to be recording their clients. how does this fit into his role. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company