trump that made him want to support trump, but we do know that he really had it out for you. what's your reaction to seeing your name or this description of you pop up as far back as 2012 and 2013 in these descriptions of manafort's work overseas? >> yeah, well, i was surprised. i was not aware of it until it did come into the news, but in thinking back about it, i was working hard to try to persuade yanukovych, the then leader of ukraine to do more against corruption, to do more to try to modernize the economy. we knew that he was enthralled to putin and the russians, but we also hoped that we could nudge him along. and then he basically presided over his government did a kind of trumped up trial against his