with sarah palin and their impact on the 2008 election. and how seoposenwe migpalin mig. i will never forget your interview with palin. it's hard to believe it was ten years ago. it was a pifal mome apivotal mo campaign because at that time she was the most captivating candidate we had seen. she even eclipsed a similarly captivating candidate in barack obama. but i think she was still -- people didn't understand who she was, how she felt about policy. and this was an opportunity to really dig into discover if she had accumulated knowledge, if she was intellectually curious, interested in public policy, and how she would govern. especially that john mccain at the time -- he had mel know ma four times.