the money does matter in the sense of look how much i've raised. obviously what i'm saying resonates with people, and i think that's a message you can take somewhere. >> obviously what the general democrat party is saying is not resonating with people. there's a reason why beto o'rourke is blowing other people away. there was a "new york times" article that beto a rauo'rourkes to share his money. what democrats need to learn -- >> be simple. >> i'm going to fight somebody with words. what the democrats need to learn from o'rourke and from sanders is that standing up for your principles actually matters and smo motivates people. >> beyond motivation, where does it reside in the real world ultimately? >> money gets you in the game.