i've been at these rallies. he often uses this outrageousness to distract attention from narratives he can't control. i would argue that one of those stories has been for him the suspected murder of jamal khashoggi. but then to make comments about body slamming a reporter, doesn't it only draw more attention to that? >> the president doesn't care. i mean, the president is very tactical. he's going to say what he says when he says it because he's going to get a response from the audience, but i mean, how smart is greg anyway, he couldn't find his words to answer ben's questions. instead he has to resort to physical violence. i'm reminded of my wife and her preschoolers. we have to say, no, we don't hit the other children, we use our words, and here you have a congressman who couldn't find any words because he's not smart enough to come up with them. >> let's look at it as a strategy, rick. as a strategy, is it smart? because there are a lot of folks who aren't convinced that these