loyal. we know that's a very important thing for you, but flip go. ahead and flip. plead guilty. agree to cooperate. if you just become our mole, if you just tell us everything that you can learn from that position, don't worry about it. we'll hook you up with a pardon. you're already screwed. you're already convicted. do this now and that's your way out. this is the way that you can prove your worth to us. that's, again, i'm imagining that that's the way this could have gone in a very dramatic version of this. if anything like that happened, would that itself be a criminal conspiracy of any kind? >> again, i think it could be.