>> it is outside a border wall, the shutdown. he gave his first interview since announcing his departure. you wrote that kelly painted a dim portrait of the president. what stood out to you? >> i think this interview is a more subtle version of that. he talked about how kelly said that his greatest success, the thing he should be measured by is about what the president didn't do while he was in the white house rather than what he did do. he talks about how the president was given lots of information about the decisions that he was making but that some times it was disregarded. it was the interview of a dheef of staff that knows that his legacy is tie today the president who doesn't necessarily agree with some of the things he has been doing and