history and figure out where are the contributions made by other categories of people that you're talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization? >> than white people? >> than western civilization itself rooted in western europe, eastern europe and the united states of america and every place where the footprint of christianity settled the world. >> here's the thing, kathy, he's a fun guy, jocular like, the guy next door. but that's racism, the ideological view of a superiority of a race, the subculture of western european civilization that he believes is the net contributor to modern society. >> i talked to him about that interview back in 2012 at the republican national convention. and he actually came out and said, you know, what is wrong with being somebody who is defending the -- i'm going paraphrase it probably incorrectly but he said what's wrong with defending the white