president to a mob boss? >> very strange, and i don't do it lightly. and i'm not trying to, by that, by the way suggest president trump is out breaking legs and shaking down shop keepers. instead what i'm talking about is that leadership culture constantly comes back to me when i think about my experience with the trump administration. >> that's exactly right. that's how he ran the trump organization. at that point michael cohen was very much part of that mob mentality. >> leg breaker. >> he's running the situation the same way. we know his anger at jeff sessions is he felt sessions didn't have his back, sessions betrayed him by recusing himself in the russia probe. >> following the law. >> yes, choosing the law over loyalty of the president. i think cohen will be compelled to testify. made clear, testifying before congress is not an option. maybe it will be delayed but he will have to do it at some point. with he know mueller suggested there will be walls over the russia stuff n that regard there maybe there wouldn't be that