left wing of the party. we're already seeing that start to unfold? >> absolutely. the last week has been so interesting. you have to ask this question. kennedy in '80, was trying to push the democrats left. he wanted national healthcare. as you enter 2020, you have the same debate going on between democrats over national healthcare or just a more moderate plan. carter put it on the back burner then and kennedy, that was part of why he ran against him. at the time of '80, the country was in a conservative mood, wasn't ready for the kind of liberalism kennedy wanted. i don't know where the country is now, i think we're so divided on many issues. a growing chorus saying the democrats are already moving too far left, even somebody like sherrod brown saying we can't go this hard on pie in the sky type of proposals. it will be fascinating to watch that debate play out. >> you mentioned how carter and kennedy really hated each other. how does that personal dynamic
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