what donald trump once described as issues of cases in problems on the other side of his red line, his businesses. >> certainly that's right. one thing we've seen from new york state authorities, both the insurance regulators last week and new york ag now is they're going after third parties that did business with trump, have a lot of operation about how he operated but are not in his inner circle, will less likely go to the matt to protect him. last week it was ai insurance broker, this week it's deutsche bank. those folks will know a lot about whether, as michael cohen alleged, trump used basically, inflated, exaggerated documents to con them out of a better deal, to get loans out of them or reduce insurance premiums. if that's there, these folks may not feel they have to protect donald trump to satisfy new york state. >> i know less about banking, i can barely balance my own checks. who are deutsche bank? are mike the michael cohen of bankers, fast and loose?