any documents or anyone to come up and talk about it, at least anyone who would maybe galvanize the public or get the public's attention. that's where we find ourselves. >> barbara, i'm coming to you for what i'm afraid we just referred to as legalese. two part question for you. testifying 30 hours before the mueller team does that equal a de facto waiver of executive privilege on the part of the president's former white house lawyer? and secondly, can the white house really tell a private citizen, no, you're not going tomorrow? you're not taking part in this? >> well, with regard to the waiver issue i think the answer is sort of yes and no. anything that has appeared in the published report, is in the public domain is no longer protected by any privilege. the purpose of privilege is to keep secrets. since that's no longer secret there's no way you can assert privilege over that which is not in the public domain. the other things that were told