the state reimbursement rates for pediatric rates and then get 100 grand out of a racetrack owner regarding some legislation of interest to them. i would say serious. but 14 years? i don't think. there are a lot of guys who commit attempted robbery and bank robbery who get out a lot less time than that. a very tough republican law and order judge hammered him in the sentencing. but i think trump ultimately is right about commutation, but wrong on the reasons. these are all crimes. >> okay. talked to the former governor after he was charged in 2009. here goes. >> so basically, as your bottom line, it's okay to trade the president's senate seat for a job for you in the private sector. >> no. >> a job for you in the cabinet. is that your belief that that's fair? >> i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying the decision -- >> why don't you say it one way or another? is it honest or not what you did? >> it's the sort of thing you ask your lawyer about?