we go along. >> so, doc, you have the great privilege of living in actual america. your life is where the cdc and life in america intersect at the person to person level. what has the cdc done wrong in your view? what do they need to do going forward? >> well, look, i think this well was poisoned the minute it was dug, right? starting back when covid came out. there had been so many mixed messages and we'd gotten politician mixed with scientist. and we know people in general do not like uncertainty, and they do not love change. and as we have seen recommendations change over time, people in general are seeing them as a sign we really don't know what we're talking about. so they then they get to default to their own biases. and i agree with the lady just now. it is hard to make an individual teacher or an individual
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