The german language head nodding off this keeps me and little but you need to entrap lets say you want to know their story the lights are fighting and reliable information for margaret. These are the doctors and nurses at the front line. The 2nd wave is here. Spains capital madrid is europes new coronavirus hotspot but medical staff say theyre ready. They are going to back him on something not in truth i sharpened our treatment here we have more experience in what to do and when to do it. But i dont were getting patients into intensive care. Hair as soon as possible. And if he were putting them on ventilators earlier than usual. There is some good news the speed of new infections in spain is waning but that could change. Whatever the case madrid is back on the looked on a great deal of europe is reintroducing restrictions as infection spike is imposing a curfew from saturday nights of the city and now hotspots in germany daily coronavirus cases have hit a new high since april rising hospital rates have Health Officials wide in the u. K. The governments reviewing measure thats in iceland pubs clubs and arcade holes and gyms are closed there are fears the latest wave of infections could be much higher than the 1st and paris has shot at spas but there is resistance. This is pathetic when you look at whats happening with public transport people are crammed together in metros and buses. Is a sad but i think its stupid its a political issue the government is constantly manipulating people left right and center with economic interests. Running an economy and keeping a pandemic at bay is a balancing act so far the virus hasnt overwhelms germanys hospitals but theyre in a better position to tackle the 2nd wave bruno table had just started working here at the hell eos clinic in berlin when the coronavirus pandemic reached germany. The younger sister and doctor is still impressed by just how quickly the hospital reacted in march what. For example we reallocated parts of the central surgery area to be used as a new intensive care unit within 24 hours. Along with that entire coronavirus Treatment Centers were set up in berlin equipment was scarce and management were worried there werent enough ventilators many hospitals had to improvise the 1st wave of infection took the hell yes clinic by surprise. From the cup a few places far as testing capacities are concerned in terms of masks and protective clothing we are prepared we know where and when you task its allies patients we can make quick diagnoses and quick decision was. Everyone who arrives at the hospital is tested for corona virus before theyre admitted and patients are strictly separated those who test negative go to the green ward those who test positive go to the red toward a suspected cases go to the yellow ward. Feels the system is safe. We havent seen a single case of patients infecting staff since these measures were initiated now treating coronavirus patients has become routine. The applause once heard from german balconies has quieted down people seem to have forgotten the significance of Health Care Workers but so many coronavirus deniers have taken to the streets in recent weeks is something nurses and doctors struggle to understand. Some people say ive never seen corona virus so i dont believe in it never seen electricity but i dont put my finger in the socket weve seen coronavirus here weve seen deaths. Bruno terrible has also seen the effects of the corona virus firsthand but he knows that his hospital is well prepared for what the pandemic might bring. Gandhi is an Infectious Disease doctor and research or with the university of california San Francisco monica great to have you on the show what do the rising rates need lock downs and latest preparations all tell you you know who we are either in a 2nd wave or more likely the continuation of our 1st wave and unfortunately we havent gotten on top of this calling pandemic the keys are still rising and theyve been rising interim many and throughout the United States and in europe however death rates are staying lower than they were during the 1st way why do you call lockdowns though a blunt instrument in the fight against the coronavirus. Because lock downs are extremely disruptive to the economy to the poor to workers to sell many aspects of other aspects of Public Health and there are other ways that we can stay safe from infection and those pillars of pandemic control are essentially social distancing Wearing Masks and hey jeanne ventilation doing things outside when we can and stay away from large crowds but complete lockdown are completely blunt instrument theyre both acted aspects of covert help that were going to have ramifications for so long talking about crowds weve seen huge protests also here in berlin against these lockdowns. Justified or or is it quite. Counterproductive considering these people are all coming together and maybe nowhere musts so its completely counterproductive to be in large crowds without masks so there is absolute full acknowledgement of the seriousness of this disease and we have to completely change life as we know it Wearing Masks unusual. Complete social distancing is unusual not having large route is different having settings where we are keeping to small cohorts of groups doing things outside keeping things ventilated all of this is different life is different but it is risky to be in large crowds without masks in the setting of a pandemic i was just talking to friends in sweden theyre not wearing mosques the boz a full why if they say relaxed. You know sweden is a very interesting piece that we looked at for her for years and decades to understand what happened there is social distancing at the beginning there was sort of a recommendation to the public to stay away from each other there are a lot of deaths at the beginning very unfortunately because a lot of their vulnerable older people people in Nursing Homes died and whether there is more immunity in the population is being speculated i think thats likely true they do stay away from each other in general but youre right things are much more normal in sweden they took a different strategy they are in a different place but it was at high expense of the beginning if an interview you said how much virus youre breathing is probably one of the most important determinants of how sick you get do you still stand by them. As you know we and others have been looking at that question of the viral dose or the viral inoculate the amount that you get it is proportional to how sick you get and weve not only been looking at this with part of virus this is actually been shown in musicals during the salmonella many other Infectious Diseases were putting together a review paper on this now but the meaning is that if this is true with chronic virus social distancing and wearing that mask reduces the amount of ours who get in and the likelihood that youre going to become ill and this seems to make sense in animal models and what weve been seeing with this virus including with decreasing mortality in places that are consistent with facial masking monica 2 quick questions for you what do you think about your president s message that hes sending to the rest of the world. I think president trumps message is dangerous and we did kill lists and he has been. Flouted almost all Public Health recommendations cept for testing he doesnt mask he doesnt actually distance he keeps large crowds he doesnt Contact Trace in the case of this disaster he didnt isolate encourage quarantining he just tested theres only one strategy of the pandemic and its not enough and lastly if you can sum it up in one word whats going through and this pandemic. You know it is not being normal for at least a year plus the vaccine on top of it so it is Wearing Masks stay away from each other hand washing and then waiting for that safe and effective vaccine but not completely shutting down society you heard it from Monica Gandhi thank you very much for being on this earth a day 8 here and now its their chance to answer your questions on the coronavirus if you want to look into something in particular just write to us on our future journal. If i free coverage from code 19 do i still have to wear a mask. Sometimes its easy to forget that that millions and millions of people worldwide have also recovered from coke at 19 and want to return as much as possible until life as usual but what does coming out the other end mean are you safe from the disease because youre immune can you still pose a potential danger to others do you need to continue to social distance and wear a mask its all questions that we still dont have a firm answers to we just have to guess and rely on what we know from other Infectious Diseases particularly those caused by other coronaviruses based on what weve seen so far with coke at 19 people do acquire some immunity the problem is we dont know for how long on average but we do know is that with other coronaviruses that infect humans immunity can wane pretty swiftly there are a number of studies that convincingly show that people can be really infected with some of them within a year and there have been a few isolated documented cases of that also happening with covert 19 also at least in some of those cases the people who were infected showed no symptoms the 2nd time around so were they infectious to others we dont know and to me it seems like in general that intel we have better data when it comes to questions that we have to answer with we dont know we should be erring on the side of caution so in the face of this particular we dont know i go for the fallback position which is to continue to assume that masking up is a way to protect yourself and others even if youve recovered from covert 19. Good to have you along for another about covert specials im been physical and see you next on. Entering the conflict zone with tim sebastian. Brazilians in the news these days for all the wrong reasons i did say that the 3rd highest figure in the world for coated 19 infections my guess is me from brasilia is the come choose Vice President how would soon follow ralph how did the governments message old get so bad. Conflicts of. D w. One continent. 700000000 people. With their own personal stories. Explore every day life. What europeans fear and what they hope for. Focus on europe. 60 minutes on t w. Beethoven is for me. The time is for you. To be tough on us for help. Beethoven. Beethoven is for the. Beethoven is for us. Veto for is for m. On. Beethoven 2021250th anniversary here on down. You know. Here in brazil everything is ok for you preparing for the military to intervene we are not a military government brazil is in the news these days for all the wrong reasons allegations of high level corruption uncontrolled illegal logging and fires raging in the amazon rain forest i didnt see that the 3rd highest figure in the world for covert 19 infections my guess this week from brasilia is the countrys Vice President how much lower out how did the government let it all get so bad. Vice president how milton moore our welcome to conflict zone a few months ago you told journalists everythings under control we just dont know whos just how bad is the chaos in your administration. Everything is ok in our administration that was a kind of a joke that i used to say ok it was not very straight for war war that i put it was a joke ali a joke because here in brazil everything is ok. What sort of joke was it you had 2 Health Ministers who were gone in the space of a single month during a Health Emergency a Justice Minister resigned and Education Minister hurries off to the u. S. Just days after stepping down from the job saying i dont want to fight leave me alone dont provoke me isnt that enough chaos for you. Now its not its not its things that happen in any government ok the way that their vacation minister went out well it was not a big problem for us ok and you know brazil is a very different country and well some things that happen here doesnt happen in other countries its our culture so why did you write an op ed may the 14th you said no country in the world has inflicted more harm on itself than brazil and you warned that institutional damage was driving the country into chaos you were the one who mentioned the chaos and drew attention to it you said weve become incapable of the essentials in facing any problem sitting at the table talking and debating that was a powerful indictment of your own administration wasnt it because your leaders like you who are supposed to unify your country well the country is suffering what happens all around the ward there isnt an excess of of true believers and politico the political sides are all d very glad to see polarized devotees a lot of polarization in politics but. Our administration is running the country well and so far as to day things are Getting Better and the relationship between the different powers are getting each day better and better so we had some difficult time some months ago but now everythings ok really and added to that the president his family and several associates are kneedeep in criminal and legislative investigations is that ok too. This question is still under investigation and of course its than the hands of the judiciary system and we have to wait for. This process to get tweets sent. By warning about all this chaos as you did last may were you preparing for the military to intervene and start to dealing with the chaos in june the president openly floated the idea of military intervention saying the armed forces would not accept absurd decisions by the Supreme Court of congress is not was not a threat. Thats not a thats not true 1st of all that im going to force our law and with their constitutional mission and they are not stepping out of the it syncs here in brazil are going well and where we have to make it very clear that democracy is a value are not only for mr bush or not his government but us to our am and forced to so there is no any end here and there is no threat to the Supreme Court or are there just like you have system here in brazil and the fact that he attended rallies outside military bases where his supporters called for an armed intervention to get rid of governors judges and lawmakers who imposed lockdowns in response to the pandemic no threat there either i suppose. Well the question of the pandemic people have to understand that brazil its a very unequal country where were unequal socially economically and of course geographically so since the beginning of depend amica weve been trying to deal with their health for with the economic curve and with this social curve thats the way that mr bowser not a government dealt with this pandemic well he attended rallies which called for an armed intervention didnt he to get rid of governors judges and lawmakers whats that if not a threat to democracy you want to play i heard us is not a threat to democracy but the governor of south paulo thought it was going to. The governor of south paolo said brazil i said wakes up every day afraid of aggression to democracy to the constitution to the congress to the Supreme Court president both scenario he said stop this endless aggression. This is happens because there is polarization in politics the government of some policy opposed to mr bush on out of this is much more talk than that say action when his angels heres the happens its a new way to people behave. Not dangerous its dangerous to have power to do what you mean but nobody has the power to do what they mean we swards here in brazil plenty of people seem to think youre doing politics through fear these days eduardo cost a pinto from the federal university of rio he says this is the problem of having a government filled with military personnel during an institutional crisis the military will fight tooth and nail to stay in power and they have guns which makes political mediation difficult why fill the government with all these military personnel if youre not planning on the military taking over power. First of all its got to be very clear that we are not a military government mr both are not in the eye where elected by more than 57 median brazilians ok and of course we have some people into gaza that come from the military but they are here sinking for the good of brazil and respecting our constitution and our loss the federal audit court is not investigating what it calls the excessive presence of the military in Civil Public Service and it is excessive isnt it the court said in june there were as many as 3000 military personnel in government jobs what do you need 3000 of the military in government jobs for well 1st of all it have to be very clear that any government in brazil has more didnt 2 talents and military in government jobs because we have a security cabinet that belongs to their president that has more than 1000 military people and india scholar of military people are those who work at the Defense Ministry so we dont have such a huge number of military people. There civil jobs in our government thats some kind of its information that came through some different channels and are all these military personnel qualified to do the jobs theyre doing im thinking of the Current Health minister as well oh hes an active duty general who followed orders from the president is that his only qualification he doesnt know anything about health or drug study well you dont need to be a doctor to be the house minister why do you need to be its manageable understands the Public Administration and more that you dont mocked up with secular option and of course mr punch will laws are not about logistics that was the main problem in our house minister. And he knows how to a by orders more than the other Health Ministers the see he knows to do as hes told thats his main qualification is it well he has the qualifications and he has been do we have very good job and this has been that task that about all the secretaries of the different states here in brazil they are all very pleased with the job that mr percivale has been doing because