Population. And because of that, it was important to lets see, eliminate him from the political fuel. So what do you like to live with the government that kills its political opponents and seem for most go . Why the Southern States of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years. What does a know . We done . On the color slick of welcome to complex of excellence. Its much, its time for president ial elections in russia of id may i put in once a 5th time. Thatd be my food and always gets what he wants is. This is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. Yes, so this is one more step to choose absolute power. But so when were asking yourselves, where was this 20 points, for . She seems as a decrease of michigan mazda, because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. When she called the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious present essential terms. And now she is over to our little president , and after that all the doors were open for any steps. Functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22. Unfortunately with no other means the same year 2020 it doesnt have much to do with democracy. It does at these elections, even mr. Perkins spokesman, dimitri pest golf, tell the New York Times last year, president ial election isnt really a democracy. Its a costly bureaucracy. So why bother with this show . Because so this is one more attempt that demonstrates to the majority of the rest and populations that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the protest initiatives as, as important as thats minority. Minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence. And i think in this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. So nothing to do with this political system. We cant change anything because of that. So this election starts to no significance is the same times as this one more, really rounds aflac. Why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresher as a legitimacy or for the 0 to correct. Oh, credible candidates of uh, being eliminated way before the polling stations open bar is not just in the anti war candidate. He was disqualified by the states because some traction for awhile. Was he a, a threat . Was he didnt the threat edition was quite attractive to the public who was liberal views and you know, in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. And because of that, in addition was kind of a fault for this people wednesday sun and its pushing it and it was understandable thats a criminal decide. Its not till ocean to participate because she could sit undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of guessing i dont know, 56, given 10 percent a man into it, it could means that the pretend hes not the only one who is so who deserves the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention the terms of case. And i didnt include demonstrates enter your agenda via television and the code. So shake because of use. So for the majority, which is still not connected to the to be set. So, so with no, they decided not to, not to risk. You run that slide risk. Im alexa in the bottom, a dead and a prison camp in the optic circle. Once he ever really im electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. Were never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. The one that didnt have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. But so when she did participate in the year 2013 during moscows mayors elections, he was extremely efficient. Astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. They decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. So he was a real threat to put to getting them to some moments. So moment to the means that bus to the whole political process reduced busy. Now this is fine between the fall knee and approach him. And is that sense even being can prison . That when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for the parts of that population. And because of that, it was important to, lets see, eliminate him from the political field. Do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. So having time in germany, do you by that story . Of we dont know the truths may be, will not know it, but it looks like global story. And in this sense, simple, it wasnt requested down so that she was, lets say, maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. So we have to wait for some results sofa his team of Research True maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals and i found this family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. You wouldnt seriously argue with that, would you i would say likely. So the experience of this regime demonstrates that its as possible. Lets remember as a case of street policy or any other cases and put in the several times to repeat it and youre anxious. Courier that the, my pets, realty color oriented, or again, since people do that. But these and because of that, among people with, uh, lets say liberal views, there is no doubt thats nobody put the keels. Uh no. We dont have the controls if evidence of it. So, but the feeling is very strong, come on, russian Civil Society. We know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020. And we know because the millions listen to a government assessment describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about a little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the im being recorded by him at the time. So nobodys going to believe any government denials of a underscore. Uh you know, its mean. So what do we mean by nobody . And because the majority is still prefers to believe friendly and unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. The horrible story. You know, so low to for russian so they didnt know about the place of things that didnt know what the does. So its not what it means. It in this count on your arctic circle. But the majority prefers not to boulder itself. Uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. Uh, the subsea more old, but the majority prefers not to know. And it seems about, uh like, uh, uh, cuz you know, which is still with his, uh, does cetera, cetera. And because of that, thats more about belief with disbelief amongst people with the normal view. So hes democratic fused record by from a lawyer at the human rights group. Memorial said if they could kill nevada and they, they could kill anybody else. If hes right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. Why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners. Im sure we dont have a political position in the appropriate sense of the words right now because of a high level of, for patients kyras in the, in names a substitute new new orleans or last year. So for his existence and i, i, i would say that its, unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him cut them. It was a or, yeah, yes, one could be under threats and not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most local people from mazda political position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. So for the leaders that are in prison, so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat. I think unfortunately, you spoke of the value of this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. How much of that moral resistance is left in russia . And it gets trends of sorts moral, because as i said, political position isnt so efficient right now. And this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. This people can fight as they dont want to find for power. They dont have for literacy, they dont have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. Even small in jewels. But the joseph no only demonstrates as a funeral and around the dentist way to that. This Civil Society still here will not be for a Society Search which is very different than the passive. And the full of confirm is and that Civil Society, the society of responsible citizens who, to who was the best, who was a country whore in a permanent order because of this war. They demonstrated that they are here. It was a huge step for people club for, for were going to was a funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to a to is if last. So it was this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place, as of man, there we go, for political repression, such cetera, cetera. So if you want to see the so Civil Society in the russia, we can open, for instance, the website over then for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions, that a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist Civil Society, which is still ready to resist and im ready to the police to think of all the constitution. Think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about nevada and these legacy. Id like to know how long you think it will last, isnt it inevitable that as the years go by, there will be less and less opposition . A moral or real repression works . Doesnt it . Repressions efficient. Yes. For business work, but at the same time, no. This fatigue from room is also sheer. And in the case of a minor successor for a Civil Society and then demonstration of what to use. Uh, some people cough, hesitating hor, pacific one for me. So as a count shares of you. So for this x, if a Single Society activities, so in that sense are actually isnt hopeless and ive seen it with just like and so the attempts were when Minerals People were ready for changes coming. Gorbachev key when go with the richer for to cook. The power ends is be a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances, kind of a sink know, must came from the very top. And the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. So the serious changes in russia are impossible. Veteran now, extraordinary efforts and youve outlined some of them to, to come down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that they authorize. Keep adding to we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 1011 year old pupils to the Security Police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. But the fellow passengers didnt like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. And i suppose my question is, is the state really thats in secure about its, hold on paul, and its people, you know, its smarter bell Cell Development of russian style. All sorts here is my would say is this is not simply and assorted terrorism is more about a name, its high, but its a tell it to it is the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. A private life of people you to want it wants to control. For instance, theaters repair to ours. Uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. But nevertheless, this societies mother in, isaac, this is orland, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. And it looks us to print its some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality around space. So yeah. Is there a difference, a threat to exist as through . But if you wants to do something, you can try and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the kind of situation its, its not a dresser, its not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appear willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. How destructive is that to the fabric of Russian Society destroys trust of the yes, its true, its true. The trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. But some people simply prefer not to talk with unknown persons. They prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress, for instance, to say preferred not to discuss political issues. This is true. But you know, its the same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. For instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the noble lord, its a mr. Moore auto for is a title going to be in a corporation with gorbachev foundation. And this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you, even in the circumstances. There was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. So why not to transfer this . Ill think uh and this its, its a, its contribute. So Something Like hope for the future. When we talk about hope, lets also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression left good call. Fleeting. Russian sociologist says theres a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. Yes. Is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology mess, so silver chain. And uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. They are trying to avoid problems with themselves. Which means that as a full flip, say, double thinking of a pretending the war doesnt exist. So they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about the balance is a trained not to do it publicly made is the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. So Something Like that, but is a private space in their quizzes like it was in sylvia time so they can discuss freely the Current Situation with the core, with some assessments which are not public. Lets see, this is more about privates assessments private life. So this is more about double thinking. You said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. That argument gives his image ration on his way to maintain power. Thats put in one that war and youll view oh yes, she wants me. Shes the main initiator, im sure. Is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. Ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. The very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. And she must in advance of the google for the society. So its just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some travelling this per month for it was the best, the best was also taking us. So we must defense our sales. And even though were expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is, this is more about defense. And uh, the reason the reports re, so im sorry to interrupt you, reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the Baltic States and finland. And people have spoken officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. How plausible do think that these things is suspicious. P r. O to be so the to, to, to, to, to look so mighty, so impressive. Uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create, i am, shes a political philosophies. This is a part of russia for sure. And she wants to get to as transferred, as he says. So this territories it, she doesnt care about voltage states for the length or, or pulled this as a loop service. In my opinion, she will not have enough resources for one more flank, one more front. Uh, she simply wants to continue. This permanent port was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. And she doesnt want to, to take the, for instance, baltic stays because it will mean the real world was natal, intimately, much more serious. So thats just sort of a tuition blueprint. Does nato look week to russia to put in the notes so we could but to what was this very majority. It was a society which in looks like a strong man, coolly cruise equal to tomato nature. His motor bowls that human show for the main enemy, United States of America Nathan in europe, is kind of as sits alliance of uh, of nato in the end. So United States, you said last month, that despite all the new, clear se but rattling that weve heard from fulton, they dont want the afraid of nuclear war. What makes you so sure of that . Jose, and also as you settled the messenger, stay on that. So youre going to use those, the technical no ukes could be suicidal for uh, for say, a regime for a country. Uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. So yes, so the, so Nuclear Black mailing, shes quite impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because its presented to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct . Yes. As a problem for actually. So thats a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such a lights. My talk, we can do it. Why not . This is a main danger to proceed the domestic public so that it is possible. This is the danger of furniture story and wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies dont bend, but they can break. Do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up. The button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. Under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart . Now . You know, when were talking about this, the future ends the behavior of our lights. Theyre behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. And in that sense, they hopelessly as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. But the, uh, the resources could be depleted and the next generation though, for petitions they will have to take responsibility for the country for the european security. 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