Note slogan like defund the police. But you know you have lost a big audience the minute you say it. Which makes it a lot less likely are actually going to give the changes you want done. Kennedy snappy slogan, okay grandpa. The pushback was swift and ferocious especially from the squad. The real democrat shock collars. Congresswoman aoc tweeting the whole point of protesting us to make it feel uncomfortable. Activists take that uncomfortable with status quo and activate policy changes. Support star small and grows. Folks who complain makes others uncomfortable, that is the point. Congresswoman omar followed wit with. [laughter] im not going say that one. We lose people in the hands of police. I thought a slogan but a policy demand. And centering the demand for equitable investments budgets for committee across the progress. It is safety. In congresswoman iona presley jumped in with the murders of generations of unarmed black folks by police have been horrific. Lives are at stake daily. Im out of patience with critiques of the language of activists. Whatever a grieving family says is there truth. I will never stop fighting for their justice and healing. Sounds like they no longer have a crush on obama. This is just more roof the Democratic Party is splitting like my pants after a glutenfree pasta dinner . Lets get into it with tonights party pena. Attorney and strategist alex wilkes by the cozy fire. Reason senior and author panic attack, robby soave, great hair. Democrat strategist Kevin Walling is welcome back. Welcome back everyone. Located a good evening. Kennedy good to see a good to be seen. Alexander of star review. What is present obama doing here . Is he is just sort of poking the hornets nest . And what gain for him . Based on this for quite a while. If you remember back in the first part of his first term, he went on the record criticizing the professional which enraged liberals and progressives out there. Because they felt like he was not living fast enough on certain priorities like quintana bay, realizing yea marriage. He was poking the bear it long ago. And i think what he is really speaking to was the progressives inability to resonate with parks at the electric that he was able to win over back in 2008 and 2012 for contrary to what he says now, a lot of these trump voters in key states were actually obama voters in those years. So he was clearly able to put together a coalition of people that worked. And the slogans that are developed by aoc and the squad from very liberal progressive districts just do not resonate in the states that are key for national success. Kennedy may boy did they make moderates mad. Probably in places like minneapolis and seattle they are defining the police were there drastically Cutting Police budgets, crime is going up there. So what will the reaction be . How will the pendulum swing here . They might get what they wished for, but do people what are the hate more . Do they hate crime . Or do they hate police . They hate crime its very clear. In fact this is elite White College liberal graduates and defend the police bread but minorities they report to speak for do not want Police Services drastically cut. I am absolutely for reforming the police but we should be having them do different things. Some less things. We are talking about the near Police Department conducting stings to figure out which restaurant might be trying to scratch a living in this era, its perfect with both meek and ds with the war on drugs but theres all kinds of changes we can make. Barack obama the defund your police is a bad way of stating the issue and totally turns people off. Dispute keeps going. Thus i would talk to aoc and joe manson, its not going away. And there really is no way to put some salve on this. Because you have these very loud, very popular young voices there trying to speak for the entire party but the problem is some of their demands, they are radical. And they could directly impact us as robby says the community they are claiming to want to help. So if you are joe biden what you do with this . Did an interesting point in the former with the president said to give face to aocs of the party to give platform respect that is so condescending by the way prelutsky ever pat on the head a little space. She should have had a larger speaking role in the convention lets elevate these voices from different parts of the oysters that represent all areas. With through the bronx is not true in West Virginia with joe manchin. Kennedy it different than what it is in staten island. Sure, sure. Candy i think because we have a small majority in the House Speaker of representatives, because we had could be a 5050 split or smaller republicans and the senate. The joe manchins and aocs are going to have more of a role in terms of being more vocal and more power to decide what is happening in the house. And what is happening in the senate. They may be the powerbrokers behind the scene. With House Speaker and Senate Leadership in terms of what gets accomplished. Kennedy thats interesting but fails in the squad do withhold their vote and these are in and take contest. That absolutely can sway what is going on. But if you look at moderates in the senate, they are the ones were going to have the most power. Which, if you are hoping republicans are there to support the massive spending programs, susan colleens, mitt romney may be like no we kinda be like everyone. Going to go along with the democrats. That is terrifying alexandra. Yes. I think look this, President Trump really tapered out a lot of the division in the country on the republican side it could be artificially united some factions because the party for these past four years but on the democratic side that could be the ills within the party that a been brewing for a long time. I do think so with the biden administration. The elder giving them space. They will take it for themselve themselves. Before joe biden is not giving anyone space in the cabinet so far. Its interesting because president obama was not good getting people elected. But he had been very good about being embedded in the party longterm turn your sing that your fruit some these appointments but lets move on in your times are pouring joe biden plans to keep fbi director Christopher Wright in his post or his administration for the revelation might have trump fans pulling the hair fish good enough for joe biden, then why the heck was he languishing in the Trump Administration for so long . The president still has time to fire up but if he does old uncle joe could just hire him back. Meantime fight until the New York Times he felt like he had done something good for the country by defeating the president. Is he right . And what should become of director ray . Lets start with chris ray. Probably it has been rumored for some time that President Trump is going to fire chris raper he already fired james comey rightly so. On the second fbi director ever to be fired. If you think President Trump could and would fire Christopher Wray before he leaves . I cannot even pretend to guess what President Trump is going to do these final weeks as it becomes i think clear to him that hes not getting a second term that he wanted. I dont think it makes a lot of sense really to fire him at this point. You might disagree but it seems excessively petty to me at this point. I do like the idea of some continuity between administrations. And obviously the cia kind of National Security is doing far too much that i find threatening on libertarian grounds. That ought to be looked into. They become things with carter page which is terrible. Trump tended to make it all about what they had done to him personally and like that was the entire story. We know republicans are going to completely forget about the going to stop caring about how the cia, the fbi, et cetera treat normal americans. Kennedy thats true they went from caring to careless in terms of the egregious surveillance abuses. So kevin i think Christopher Wray is not done enough to shore up the reputation of the fbi. You still have a lot of questions. John durham has been appointed special counsel we found that out from bill barb yesterday. And now youve got outstanding investigations that will go beyond so should Christopher Wray stay . Thats a good question kennedy. Would not surprise me to it see the firing happened last 49 days of the Trump Administration. Word is bill barrs job is on the line. Kennedy he doesnt care bill barrs like im 700 years old, go ahead, fire me. s got his pension at all he cares about. Divorcement government for like 80 years. Subject kennedy theres a reason why the fbi directorships whacked ten years and go beyond administrations. They should be above the political full your absolute right. Jim comey was on the second direction history the fbi to be fired. The first was by bill clinton for malfeasance by that directo director. It was not good thats for sure. That reason reason why they extend beyond the four term of the president. I hope that will continue will get some questions about the fbi under director raise leadership as well with the probe going forward. Kennedy so alexander, how to improve the reputation of the fbi with all thats going on . I think present elected biden could use it as a moment to reach out across the aisle. Not just to President Trump supporters who are still at the fbi who acted inappropriate. Also several libertarians who for many years the abuses have gone on. He could take this opportunity for it as a practical matter with President Trump as we inch closer and closer to naga ration day, attention is sort of a waning with the holidays approaching. I think he has yet to decide where he wants to focus his attention. A key case about the fbi finally is about the georgia runoffs. Kennedy he wanted to cry and trim fire chris ray. Phil borman to the white house, had a long meeting and talked him out of it. Now is matted everyone. How do you guys like that . Well talk but that a little later. Also the panel returns in just a bit. Coming up, the government is still spying on you. Theyre tracking your whereabouts via your phone. Now some senators are demanding more from answers. Democrat juan whiting is as mad as a beaver in a Research Shows people remember commercials with nostalgia. 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The Supreme Court in 2018 ruled the u. S. Government cannot obtain location data from Cell Phone Companies and their towers without a warrant. Now it seems a big brothers is just buying that data from apps. That you are using all the time including weather, gaming, blah blah blah. Is this legal . And if not what can we do about it . Going to meet out working with one of the centers working to expose this. Ron wyden welcome back to the show. Greatly back, peoples rights. Kennedy this is been an area youve been very consistent and very, very good, the bloated surveillance state. As a Supreme Court decision carpenter versus the United States in 2018. It essentially said it was illegal for Law Enforcement to warrant access to metadata from cell phone towers. But dhs isnt buying it thirdparty saying that is illegal. It is the exact same information. It is a metadata. The difference between a third party private company having your information and Law Enforcement as Law Enforcement can use it to arrest you. Youve got it. Look, what the bottom line here is, it looks like the government is using a middleman, a data broker to essentially shred the Fourth Amendment. And i have got to tell you. I have been investigating this for in the vicinity of a year now. And the more information we get about this, the more troubled i am. And very shortly, im going to be introducing legislation. The Fourth Amendment is not for sale act. That is going to stop the government from going around the courts by ineffective paying off these sleazy data brokers. Who you pointed out are getting the information from the apps. Kennedy when there is terms of use agreement on an app, nobody reads things its like 1700 pages long. The Companies Know that. It is willful ignorance on no one reads all of that stuff. That does not mean the government should not be able to use that. On one avenue when the other was complete shutdown to them. So my question is, is legislation the best way to shut this down . Because technology is always ahead of the government. Is there way of forcing this and refining it through the federal courts . I do believe, kennedy, we are going to need legislation. The fact is you can never freeze technology. You cant freeze innovation. That would make no sense at all. We have Government Agencies have confirmed to my investigators have been secretly tracking peoples movements using location data purchased from data brokers. And by the way, it is not just location data that my bill is going to restrict. Were also going to make sure that the government cannot get the information, the data on who you call in who you text and the webpages your reading as well. Kennedy imagine all the things your phone eavesdropped on all day long. Which unmet stage manager for timeout golf swings. On his instagram feed is all the suggested accounts on golf swings. And so we understand how these things work. But the government can make your life very, very difficult. This is the type of stuff that Edward Snowden revealed, perhaps when the greatest whistleblowers in the history of the country. You think that the president should pardon Edward Snowden . I am on the intelligence and sometimes my oldest child sometimes teases a bout the socalled intelligence committee. Im not really going to get into anything that touches on classified matters tonight. Seaport so im asking if you think edward said as she departed . Im not asking for intel and asking your opinion. When summonsed in charge of the crime i i dont do running commentary on that. I can get this legislation batch agenda past and beat the day that broker lobby i can say the data brokers are going be palling out all the stops. Basically right now above the law. The strong bipartisan support and i think this for the Fourth Amendment is not for sale act that will be good use of my time. Kennedy jevity republicans on board with you . We will have something to announce very shortly in b