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>> perhaps, you know, learning about it. but i think teaching it and lauding its merits as if it's an effective means of helping human beings, especially children is not what a university should be doing. university should be focused on the truth about reality and the truth about reality is that men cannot become women and even if they could, most children who go through these things outgrow them. 88% of them do. it's certainly not an effective means to help these children at all. so it should not be praised in universities. >> steve: matthew, you know, i would say a majority of the students who go to those schools, we sent a couple of our kids to catholic universities as well, because you want a catholic education. so what do the students feel and say about what they're doing? >> right, that's my case as well. you know, neither of my parents went to cleaning and they sent me to a catholic school expecting that i would be taught the faith. and the unfortunate reality is that's just simply not the case