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three-judge panel today on the immunity claim? >> because the consequences of this lawsuit, laura, cannot be overstated. it was very sad as an american and as a lawyer to watch this argument today because we have shattered a norm that existed for 234 years. never before in our history the government sought to bring criminal prosecutions against a former president. for official acts. while in office. and now, we not only have that, we have it in state courts and federal courts. appears all over the place popping up. this is a very serious moment for our country. i don't care if you are pro-trump or anti-trump. this goes to the integrity of the presidency of our entire constitutional structure. >> laura: sol, the reaction from the judges seemed to be doubtful for president trump's claim of immunity. what, to chris's point, that this starts us on a very dangerous trajectory?