His role in january 6th, he was charged in the District Of Columbia for his role in january 6th. Owes 400 million to the state of new york for defrauding the state through his taxes and he has been judged a rapist. You want to be perceived understandably as credible. I want to first see if you will pledge to not accept an appointment from donald trump if he is congressman, im not here to testify about what will happen in the future. Seems like an easy question. I am here to talk about the report. You dont want to be associated with that guy again, do you . Im not here to talk about that, i will talk about the work in the report, which i stand by. There were no limits on you what you could charge by the Attorney General, is that right . The decisions reflected in the report are my own. You did not bring charges, correct . Correct. There were no limits on john durham in the Prior Administration when he was Special Counsel, correct . I dont have the information. He sat in the same chair and said he investigated President Biden and President Obamas and did not bring charges. President biden sat for approximately 10 hours, is that right . Five hours. Over two days . Correct. In sharp contrast when the Mueller Investigation did not take place, donald trump. He was not impeached. He did not sit for an interview when the second impeachment occurred for his role in january 6 and did not sit for interview in january 6 case or the classified documents case. Chairman also has not sat for interview in his own subpoena, but joe biden has. I want to turn you to the transcript and day one page 47. You said, to President Biden, you have appear to have a Photo Graphic understanding and recall of the house. Did you say that to President Biden . Those words do appear on page 47 of the transcript. Photo graphic, is that what you said . That does appear. Never appeared in your report . It does not appear in my report. I want to play a video of what is not Photo Graphic. In the failing New York Times by anonymous, gutless coward. We are a nation that heard saudi arabia and russia will i hope they now go and take a look at the oranges of the investigation. I watch our police and our firemen down at 711 at world trade center. We did with obama, won an election everyone said couldnt be won. This is definition of totalitarianism. Let me begin by wishing you a beautiful do you remember. God bless the United States. The windmills are driving them crazy, they are driving the whales batty. I went to puerto rico and met with the president the gentleman yields back and recognizes gentleman from north carolina. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Mr. Hur, im down here in the end. I think today the Justice Department released transcripts of interviews with President Biden. Are you arngs wear of that . I understand that to be true, yes. Did you have involvement in the release . No. Did you make recommendation of the release done or not . I did not, above my pay grade. I dont know why they have been released so close to this hearing, it impacts our ability to evaluate. One point as illustration, on 221 of your report, you are describing i think the afghan pac in 2009, i think information came from. You say, as one reason not to prosecute mr. Biden, mr. Biden told us in his interview he does not recognize marking confidential as Classification Marking, to him that means it should be held in confidence, not necessarily classified and footnote 886 refers to biden 10923 transcript at 24 and 25. We have that now, we havent until this morning. I want to read from that exchange. This is on page 24, line 15. So this is a typewritten document, its got confidential stamp at the top and top of the document indicates it is from the american am embassy kabul. Dated november 09, only question i have is confidential marking. Do you recognize that to be classific marking . President biden, no. Confidential doesnt want to get around. It is not in a category, i dont think of code word top secret kind of thing, i dont know where it came from. Are you familiar with confidential as level of Classified Information . President biden, if i got a document that says confidential, it would mean no one else could see it but me. Are you aware among suggest categories of Classified Information there is top secret, secret and also a category of Classified Information called confidential, is that something youre aware of or not . President biden, i yes, i was aware of it. I dont ever remember when i got any document that was confidential meant for me to read or discuss with people that sent me the memo, so it trails off. As i read those answers, they are equivocal. He says he doesnt know, do you recognize that to be Classification Marking . No and explains. Mr. Cripbomb said there is category called confidential, yes, i was aware. Mr. Hur, there appears to be discrepancy in the summary of the report and what the transcript says. Can you offer guidance to this committee why you put that summary in your report as opposed to saying he gave Inkon S Inconsist ent answer or why didnt you nail down the correct answer. He says no and yes, why didnt you pursue until you knew. The report is our best effort to summarize and characterize information received from the president during our interview of him. As you point out, the transcript of the president s interview over two days are now available for inspection and the members are able to draw their own conclusion based on transcripts available to them. I appreciate your answer and i think you can come up with some details someone can disagree on and has quality of some cherrypicking because i just found something. Eave only had a little time to look. I dont think it serves for these transcripts to be dumped into the public. They should have been released at a proper time. I will leave it at that and yield back. Gentleman. Mr. Hur, someone earlier said something about changing facts and you said, i will not change the facts. Same facts and change the subject. Same facts, if the individual was 65 and had a good memory, do you reach the same conclusion . I responded earlier im not here to discuss hypotheticals, these are facts in this investigation and this set of investigation. Special counsel hur thank you for being here and your work. You reviewed more than Seven Million documents and conducted 173 interviews of 147 witnesses, including President Biden, correct . Yes, congresswoman. It cost several Million Dollars and comprehensive 345 page report with several pages of appendix. You concluded no criminal charges warranted in this matter . Correct. This lengthy investigation resulted in exoneration of joe biden for every document you discussed in your report, you found insufficient evidence the president violated possession or retention of classified documents. Its part of Espionage Act which criminalizes willful retention or disclosure of information, correct . That is one statute we analyzed, i need to go back and take note of word you used, exoneration, that does not appear in my report. I will continue with my questions. I know that the term submission evidence existed such that likely outcome would be a conviction. I did not exonerate him, that did not appear. Mr. Hur, it is my time, thank you. The term willful retention has a particular meaning. I want that meaning to be known to the American People before we go further to prove the president willfully obtained evidence, you need to prove first that president knowingly obtained information and second knew conduct was unlawful, correct . That is correct. And im sorry, it was National Defense information, third element. Thank you. To be clear, you did not find sufficient evidence to prove either element beyond a reasonable to show mr. Biden willfully obtained the in the investigation, correct . Admissible evidence was not sufficient. Not sufficient, thank you. Few example examples so American People are clear. One side of documents discovered by investigators in president s delaware home. His staff had assembled documents to prepare for an even with charlie rose. Some documents were marked classified, you reviewed all classified documents in the binders and determined mr. Biden willfully contained marked in the binders correct . That does in the report. Related to afghanistan troop surge you evaluated if he had the documents in his home. In your report you said there was a shofrtage of evidence for wrongdoing and cannot refute, are those quotes correct . If you have particular page cites, id be happy. Right up on the screen. With respect to two quotes on the screen in addition to shortage, there are other recannot refute and conclude evident is not sufficient to convict. You concluded the evidence is not sufficient to convict and decline to recommend prosecution, your word, correct . Those words appear. Thank you. President Biden Counsel discovered different set at Penn Biden Center and turned over to the fbi. It contained National Security information, you determined you could 234089 prove mr. Biden willfully obtained the documents, marked classified documents found were sent and kept there by mistake. We decline any criminal charges related to documents. Correct . The language we decline any criminal charges related to document does appear page 311 of the report. Similar conclusion regarding documents found in President BidenSenate Papers at University Of Florida of delaware. It is likely documents found in mr. Biden senate paper at university of delaware; correct . That does appear in the report. The crux, main story you found insufficient evidence to prove President Biden had any materials. That is story of this report, i yield back. Gentle lady from indiana recognized. I thank you for being here in challenging time. Few things interesting for me, you can see there is you obviously see it was willful retention of documents, interesting when you talk about sympathetic well meaning older man elderly man with poor memory, seems like every attorney would advise you to be sympathetic and well meaning and whole fbi need to do based on my hearings here to check on amnesia, everyone says doesnt recall, it might have been more in recollection than typical i dont recall. I have learned here, is it something more than i dont recall something for you to say . Seems like this is core of the whole investigation, why did you not pursue further the charges . My judgement as to how a jury would likely perceive and receive evidence relating to all the evidence put in by government and defense at trial was based on number of different sources from documents, recordings, some tw 2016 and 2017 timeframe, some from our interview in october of 2023. I think what you are asking about specifically is how the president presented himself during interview of in october of last year, i did take into account not just the words, but entire manner In Living Color realtime how the president presented himself. Hopefully he didnt outsmart all of us. I want to comment mr. Raskin communist and i have a good recollection what it is and on the rise and march you said, they have been embolden by President Obama and now President Biden and our government and Department Of Justice is now resembles tyrannical government, sad to see that, im going with double standard what we have there, i will yield to chairman jordan my time. During your oneyear investigation, did you have communication with white house and white House Counsel in particular . Yes. I got five letters they communicated with you, is that accurate . We received number of letters from white House Counsel and president s personal counsel. Special counsel or personal counsel i see sign said letters. Did the white house get report before report was made public . We provided a draft to the white House Counsel office and the president s personal counsel team for review. I understand. Did the white house try to weigh in with your investigation on elements of that report and get the report changed . They did Request Edits and changes. I see that in february 5 letter. Did they only correspond with you . Anyone else on my team . They saw changes, i have one letter addressed to you on february 5, we are pleased you determined and respond to the report. They disagree with your ask for you to change some things you had in your report, the fact the president s memory was not very good, do you remember that . Yes, sir. I have two other letters, one on february 7 to Merrick Garland, they raise the same concern and on february 12, they go the dag. You familiar with those . I am familiar with those letters, Bradley Wisehimeris associate deputy. The adac and Merrick GarlandAttorney General. You familiar with the fact they went over your head . They were certainly entitled to write whatever letters they wish to the Attorney General. I find that interesting. The white house communicating you throughout this investigation and then white house says, were going to the Principals Office and talk about mr. Hurs report. You find that interesting . They were free to correspond with whomever they wish to correspond with, i did engage with them during the course of the investigation and as reflected in Special Counsel regulation, the Attorney General did provide oversight of my investigation. Understand, yield back. Chair recognizes gentleman from california for five minutes. Thank you, chairman jordan. I want to say House Judiciary Committee is responsible for helping to enforce rule of law. Unfortunately the actions of this chairman in ignoring bipartisan congressional subpoena damaged ability of this committee to get information from witnesses and damaged the rule of law. Mr. Hur, thank you for being here today. Thank you for sharing your compelling immigrant story that highlights how america is a nation of immigrants. I will ask you a series of yes and no questions, not trick questions, simply designed to highlight what you found in your report, which there are material distinctions between President Bidens case and mr. Trumps case. Here is my first question. In your investigation, did you find President Biden directed his lawyer to lie to the fbi . We identified no such evidence. Did you find President Biden directed his lawyer to destroy classified documents . No. Did you find President Biden directed his Personal Assistant to move boxes and hide from the fbi . No. Did you find President Trump directed Personal Assistant to delete footage after fbi asked for footage . No. Did you find President Biden showed classified map to a campaign aid who did not have clea clearance . No. Did you find President Biden engaged in a scheme to conceal . No. Each activity i laid out describe what donald trump did in Woeful Mishandling and criminal efforts to deceive fbi and President Biden handed over document without delay and complied fully with investigators. You write that quote, according to Indictment Trump refused to return documents for many months and enlisted others to destroy evidence and lie about it, end quote. You said, if proven, these would be serious aggravating facts, do you still stand by analysis . I do. A few more questions inform your investigation did you find President Biden set up a Shell Company and paid 130,000 in hush money to Adult Porn Star . No. Did you find President Biden paid to a former playboy model . No. In your investigation, did you find mr. Biden demanded he find 11,780 votes . No. Did you find President Biden had fake eshg lectors to undermine free and Fair Election . No. Did you find President Biden urged supporters to travel to d. C. And storm the capitol . No. Each activity describe what donald trump did, his effort to pulley Election Officials and deceive the