Evening, everyone, i am laura ingraham, and this is the ingraham angle. Thank you for joining as always. You are looking liveus George Washington university in d. C. Where the deadline forse protesters to leave campus has just passed. You can see they appeared to have no intention of moving your head to new york where massive pro israel rally has just started, just gotten underway, we will bring you more on the protest come on campuses, the protest growing later in the show. L, plus my angle how biden is the one on trial given the newsum today. That is in moments. But first. T trump had found shall liquidate from new york trailed to Supreme Court or oral arguments in the president ial immunity case. We will get totay t, f all of iy with us here. But first, we start in new york where david pecker testified foa the third day. It i os less clear is the trial wears on as what is the crime . Today was a breathtaking. And amazing testimony. This is a trial that should never happen. This is a case that should have never been filed. Laura joining me now is todd piro, coanchor of fox friends first, i know you were in the courtroom today. You were witnessing and whatwers the take away today . I cant answer the crime is. We havlarse said legal cannot sy what the crime is to be in the courtroom and watch hour upon hour of testimony my still dont have an answer. To me, we have had nine years ou trump bad and in court, he had eight more hours of trump bad. I still dont know what the crime is. Laura when you watch the jury in the courtroom, are they riveted . Are there eyes and attention seem to wonder . Im so jealous you got to be in the courtroom he would give us a since of a birdseye view. I was was in the overflow ron i wasnt where the jury was pure to put to that point, i made a number of key points right backo to the producers here at fox basically making the point, ies watis getting bored during the butestimony of thE Prosecution asking pecker a bunch of questions. I understand you nees d to establish but it was painstaking going through Minutee De Detaild minute detail of every interaction david pecker had with every Single Member of trumps orbit pure contract that with the las laut 45 minutes, laura of the dayatio which was crossexamination. Holmes attorney at snappy questions and i Understandamin T is a function of crossexamination but if im inh the jury and rolled to sleep, i may hold that against the E Prosecution for quitein frankly wasting my time to an extent with a very long andrn eyboring day whereas trumps attorney went in there and hit key points. Laura come wit dayh the number e key point i took away from the entire day is this Line Ofrs QuestioningDonald Trumps attorney Got David Peckeareer to admit throughout the course of his long career at ami, thest orNational Enquirer, he caught and killed stories ford, B Politicians all the time. And based upon the new york o d. A. s definition that there is no statute of Limitation Onwh anything involving Campaign Come up with a Coal Campaign violation, i guess the new york va will have to goingl after eve politician that david pecker caught and killed a story of. Laura as we said, todd, where is the Crime Coursework think so much. Another embarrassing date in court for alvin bragg as manhattan d. A. Again struggles to prove that a state business fraud, a statute, actually somehow can involve a federal whecampaign law violation. When this doesnt get traction, this theory, the Media Revertshe to blabbing about anything but the state law at issue. A really scheme in which thea National Enquirer was in cahoots withti trump. What other conversations did david pecker have with donald trump that bear on hispt knowledge and intent . T by that was catch and kill,t not by a publisher, donald trump himself. We are looking at someone who clearly doesnt follow the results of the election. And he will ge witt away with i. Laura joining me now is david schoen, former trump impeachment attorney and Sol Wisenberg are former deputy counsel, sol. Did you get the sense they are almost given up the low practice of never trump loc . Today kind of took the cake for me. They never give up, laura, and they never will give up nodn matter how many times they are slapped down here or there was nothing in todays testimony that changed the underlying legal problems that i think bragg is going to have or change the key facts in the case. Is, the key problem is its not illegal as you pointed out, itme it is not illegal to pay not somebody money to catch and kill a story. T it is not illegal to reimburse a publisher who pays that money. To convict trump under the latest esoteric theory, you have to show he conspired to promote his own election by unlawful means. But as we have pointed out, it is not apparently the theory is unlawful means was that theypr didnt report this where they were trying to stop from reporting this as a federalat Campaign Expenditure. But as we know, that actually is not the federal Campaign Expenditure law. So, i dont see any movement bye them at all here. Nv it is a very troubling case, even if they get a conviction that it stands a chance of being reversed on appeal. Laura yeah, dave had become i have to say, more stunned than ever that this case got to this point and i thk we are seeing a lot of the medih lawyers, some not, trying to whip up their audience despite t what is happening in the courtroom with these vague narratives and offer come i think im a false hope, watches. David pecker, boy, he hasf laid this out how this works with his catch and kill form of journalism. How damaging his its been two donald trump . On a scale of 1 to 10 come i would say 8, pretty. Laura [laughs] that is it, david become an 8. H on what issue . Laura, you hit the nail on the head appeared to made it to some focus on the crime. The salacious details, very interesting to some people, but the ask how can the case get t this way and juan merchan no normal judge would allow this to go forward just as the d. A. s office when Mark Pomerantz presented it. Llbut the question is, do wey believe that for a candidate to either want to pay extortion money or hide some fact that may be unpleasant from the public that that is really Election Interference . But the probleaim m is we dont what they claim the charges. We dont necessarily get to the misdemeanor because that requires intent to defraud with the wa y things are booked. You can be sure President Trump didnt direct elvis was to behat booked. E if you got to that, they haveo prove they did that with intent to commit another crime. Without the grand jury charging what the other crime is t committed is impossible to defend. Lets say through this Witness Helpit is to cover up some sala fact to help himself in then electionfi. But another witness, it is really Campaign Finance violation and another ona e say, no, a tax violation. A defendant doesnt have to hit a moving target all the time. Todays testimony perfectly highlights what many of the problems are but this case. By the way, would it be to advance a campaign if someone plagiarized and then cover that up or somebody ruined a server that might have embarrassing details on it and emails on it to promote a candidacy . With those be illegal . L were they ever charged against another candidate . Laura they keep mentioning conspiracy and fame never charged, sol as we talked about before. To. Keep invoking the conspiracy and he wasnt charged with conspiracy. Today, you get the sense from david axelrod, sol, a democrat who wrote following the campaigns, this is becoming perhaps a political problem for the president. Watch this. We will have It In A Second H but he is basically talking Abot Whether Orry not a hung jury wil help biden or not and, in fact, i think we have it now. There is some history what happens to the end of this process. If h te is a convicted felon, tt will have a Material Impact on him movinge forward. If he should have a hung jury, which could happen, it could have the Reverse Effect in the beginning of his way out of this legal morass that he is in. He will use it to taint all of the other cases. Laura now, sol, trump is now being charged in the press ged with tainting other cases ie succeeds in this jury hole. No but one juror saying hes not guilty in any of this, really , that is a new Crime Toothin attacking other cases because you are acquitted of a jury. Axelrod makes a really good point. There are manyis. Examples of t. I dont know if You Rememberup texas u. S. Senator kaine Baileyn Hutchinson got indicted when she was up for reelection by the notorious District Attorney and travis county. And she destroyed in the case didnt get to trial. And she just kicked the out ofa her opponents and it can haveth that effect and particularly when you combine that with what. It looks like the Supreme Court is going to do here they will notht give trump total immunity. Laura we will get to that next segment. So laura david there will be consequences here. Laura david, do you thinkti they regret this casnge Going Forward first . Im not counting e. Jean carroll case. But this case being their first big bite of the criminal, criminal apple here . I think on some level they do and they should, but i think they also are glad about the case because it getsm to President Trump off the campaign trail. Dai think the judges order requiring him to be inabso the t everyday is absolutely absurd. There is a statute in new york to 60. 20 that has trump during the Criminal Trial. But every story as a defendants rights and rises from the state and federal constitutional right of confrontation here and i wils tell you the other. Thing i want to comment quickly about is come earli think the sandoval arose t couple of days ago a motion by thE Prosecution to introduce evidence of prior bad acts by President Trump will be very. Important. The e weinstein case throwing ot the conviction is very important because you can see now they have no case. Ve they will try to piggyback and prove hering is guilty her byt bringing in other allegethd Prir Bad Acts and that is exactly the decision is to prevent. Laura david become i would like to say great minds think alike but i dont consider my mind as smart as you. Or sol. Great to see both of you, thank you so much. All right, the power of all future president s depends on whats happens in terms immunity case. We are on it next. Business. Its not a ninetofive proposition. Its all day and into the night. Its all the things that keep this world turning. The gotos that keep us going. The places we cheer. And check in. They all choose the advanced Network Solutions and round the Clock Partnership from Comcast Business. See why Comcast Business powers more Small Businesses than anyone else. Get started for 49. 99 a month plus ask how to get up to an 800 prepaid card. Dont wait call today. To spin wen lt all right, if youts didnt have any time to listengo to the Supreme Courts oralo arguments in the president ialhe immunity case today, dont worry, we will tell you what you need to know here the question for the Court Whether if to the extent the former president enjoyed Crystal Immunity for conduct alleged with official acts during his tenure in office. And there was a Critical Mass oc justices today who werere very concerned about what will happen to the presidency if no immunity is given for actions taken by the president as part of hisqu official duties. It is Aon W Serious Constitutional Question whether a statute can be applied for the president joe asked if. Are you saying there is no president ial immunity, even for official acts . What is before us doeswh involve thisat particular case, which is immensely important. But whatever we decide Wille Poapply to all future president. Justice , the point i want to make about this case does go to the general proposition. I understand that, but as i said to come will have effects that go far beyond this particular prosecution. Laura well, seeing its Fantasy Go Up In Flames if trump on trail in d. C. Before the election and that federal courte case given how things went to the Supreme Court, The Regime Media is in total despair. Politico opining tonight that the already slim likelihoods j donald trump will face Criminal Trial brought by jack smith before the election appeared tou dwindle further thursday in thtw faceas of withering scrutiny to the Supreme Courts conservative majority. And it was no better at fox where they need to start offering companywide therapy pets come herai think. The take was oral argument was disaster for special counsel jack smith. At least 5quart republican seemed eager to o the very leasg to permit trump to delay, Criminal Trial adding the trust does seem to hedged the mostme john roberts also seem toec think that trump enjoys some immunity from federal prosecution. A little bit about the argued cases and clerk for is Justice Scalia and thomas. Chris, is the real reason for the left to be in despair tonight customer i think it was a good day for former President Trump info t i Supreme Court court, laura. But i think that is because hes got the law and common sense on his side. I i mean, this is the Questiont Edas You just read is whether aa president can bevi subjected Toh Criminal Liability after leavine office for official acts, right . Nobody is arguing here about the president s being immune for private acts. Th so, murder, speeding, whatever. But the thing is, if we crossedn the rubicon of saying that our president s can Bche Criminallyon charged with for their official acts, we dont h have a country anymore. How is the president or any president from whatever partys tosupposed to do his job if he h to worry when the Opposition Party gets in, that he will be prosecuted . Laura well, that is what Justice Cavanaugh toledo brougho up repeatedly today. This was justice alito. If an incumbent who loses a close contested election knows that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country . We can look around the world and find countries where we have seen this process, where the loser gets thrown in jail. I think it is exactly the opposite, justice alito. And he went on to say special councils representative of the court that the opposite and impact this will strengthen the ldemocratic process, chris. Ng a you know, laura and i feel like this as watching a cartoono with wile e. Coyote. They think they will blow up thf roadt runner, right . A lot of the left has been rubbing their hands in glee and finally we got President Trump on Criminal Trial. I think the United StatesSupreme Court takes very seriously its institutional obligation to make sure that we protect the separation of powers that our constitution establishes and allow president a to do their job. A lot of times in the law, you can talk about a slippery slope. Maybe this case doesnt look so bad, but if you allow them if yo au allow this president to be enshrined in law to lead to negative consequences down w thd line, the law fear and unleashet against President Trump this year shows that we dont have to hypothesize about a slippery slope. This wolf isnt coming in sheeps clothing but as a wolf. A laura i want to play the moment from justice cottone g Ketanji Brown jackson. Im trying t o understand this incentive from turning oval office into the seat of Criminal Activity in this country. Nt once we say, no criminal liability, mr. President , you can do whatevee wor you want, im worried that we would have anstr worse problem and the problem of the president feeling constrained to follow the lawth atwhil