Which should be over. The cases over. You heard what they said, the case should be over. But you have to make that determination and they will never allow this case to be over. In a positive way this is the most highly conflicted judge ive ever seen. Form of President Trump going over the highly conflicted judge overseeing his criminal trial as he made his way into the courtroom for the fourth day of testimony. Eighth day in total for the trial and with that so begins friday afternoon im john roberts in washington. Center we have a jampacked couple of hours. Do we do, i am sandra smith in new york and this is america reports. The court is scheduled for a lunch break right now. The testimony will resume soon inside the courtroom former publisher of the National Enquirer david pecker is back on the stand now facing the prosecutors where they say that trump was in a conspiracy with pecker but the defense is arguing there was never a coordinated plan between the two of them. John we will break down every thing weve heard so far on the court room and get reaction from trump. Legal spokeswoman coming out. Sandra looking forward to that and eric shawn first outside the Supreme Court for us in Lower Manhattan with the very latest at this hour. Hi. Hello, sandra and the court is on schedule. Yes. The jury right now on lunch. Earlier this morning the crossexamination of the first witness david pecker was completed and then it was the opportunity for the prosecution to have its redirect. Basically during the initial direct examination it was trumps attorney who tried to show that former President Trump had nothing to do with the alleged conspiracy to interfere with the president ial election in 2016. Basically laying any of that on the feet of Michael Cohen and david pecker himself. And during the crossexamination of a was trying to show that peckers credibility is damaged and also demonstrate that trump was not part of that alleged conspiracy to kill the negative stories about trump that could damage the president ial race. That is the bedrock of alvin braggs prosecution. That trump supposedly engaged in conspiracy to do exactly that with both pecker and cohen. But on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy Karen Mcdougals story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with President Trump on it directly but with his lawyer, Michael Cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. Pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. So when mcdougall came knocking to be paid to pecker said it was another routine Celebrity Sex Scandal that happened to touch on his pal donald trump. We also got a preview of the Trump Defense strategy to attack the credibility of his former close aide and lawyer Michael Cohen expected to be there prosecutions star witness in a couple of weeks. Trumps lawyer asked pecker all about Michael Cohen suggesting he is prone to exaggeration and he said you cannot trust anything Michael Cohen says as he raised that issue prosecutors objected to that. So far there has been no direct evidence the former president was actually involved in any of these negotiations knowingly dealing with the Election Interference with the defense has only claimed the president was angry this type of information Karen Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels claims came out because it would hurt his family, his reputation, and the trump brand. As he ended his testimony just before the lunch break, david pecker did say he believed and he knew at that time that making the deal with Karen Mcdougal was a violation of election law. That is one of the reasons he said he decided to back away from it and he never took 150,000 reimbursement from the former President Trump or from Michael Cohen to pay for that. He was on the hook completely for mcdougalls payments completely. So the jury will be back in about an hour or so to hear more of the redirect of david pecker before we get witness number two who potentially could be Karen Mcdougal herself. Back to you. Sandra does a great set up, eric. At lunch break until 2 15 p. M. That is confirmed out of the courtroom a moment to go. The former president did depart and did not say anything as he departed the courtroom. They are estimating they need about half an hour more for the redirect or some of the details coming out right now. Bovee says there will be a recross and also todd blanche, john, just ask for the judge to compel the prosecution to provide them with the name of the next witness. This has become a thing that they are not letting them know that, john. John you know, its only fair for the defense to know who they are about to bring up on stand so they can prepare themselves. Lets bring in Fox News Sunday anchor and chief legal correspondent, you have a unique perspective because you were inside the courthouse. You got a sense of the overall atmosphere of this trial. Lets listen for a second to what donald trump said on his way into court this morning. It should be over. The cases over. You heard what was said. The case should be over. But you will have to make that determination. I think the judge will never allow this case to be over. In a positive way. John trump saying the case should be over because there is no underlying criminal behavior here. No underlying crime, what was your sense being inside the courthouse today of that particular argument . Jonathan turley said this, Andy Mccarthy has said this, wheres the crime . Yeah, that is what the prosecutors will eventually have to convince the jury out. They have to lead him there and make them understand and explain without underlying crime is because so much of what we have heard is salacious. You know, its a little bit tawdry talking about all these different celebrities and killing stories for them. Talks of Playboy Bunnies and all kinds of other things but is there a crime that the prosecutors can point to to say this is the code, this is the violation . Thats where the Misdemeanor Charges which they would have run the statute of limitations long ago. Thats where we pegged them. What is the felony what is the charge the underlying crime . Right now it is very plotting its very methodical. President trump looks sort of bored in there. You have to believe that the jury has red bull or caffeine because they have to be engaged in following along. Right now it is just sort of dont get too cozy, maybe thats why they keep the room so cold to keep people awake. Sandra no kidding. That could be a good strategy. Shannon, as far as what we are going to see when they resume, this redirect will continue. Take us through what the coming hours will look like and where this goes into next week. So it looks like the redirect is not going to be very long. We love to see where the recross goes with pecker who has been on the stanford days. The only witness we have had a chance to hear from so far and you referenced that there has been a lot of back and forth between the defense and prosecution in not coughing up who the next witnesses will be. You know it takes an enormous and defense preparation to get ready for a witness to take the stand. You can be ready for multiple different people that you expect, but really honing in when you know they are in the batters box. That so important for both sides of this equation. Prosecutors know who they will call. The defenses in the dark. They asked defense to give them a heads up and there has been back and forth on whether or not present trouble be responsible with the names of the witnesses. Whether you just give them to the attorneys and not to the defendant. I assume there will be haggling over that because the defense is sitting there thinking that pecker will wrap up soon, who is coming next . And again as sandor was saying rumors are or i think eric shawn said it could be Karen Mcdougal herself who takes the stand. Michael cohen is all so a star witness buried you have to wonder when they will play that card as well. By the way, perhaps judge mershon is playing the David Letterman strategy. He used to keep his studio between 6065 degrees so the audience didnt fall asleep. May be the judge is trying to keep the jury awake as you point out. But as you point out at what pecker has been saying so far that it looks like trump was not involved in the Mcdougall Catch and kill. Pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. 150,000 or so. The fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. The jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here . Yes. There have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to Karen Mcdougals story that they never intended to publish it and that it was to help the campaign. In his estimation, that was his side of the story. He says stories about celebrities including trump sold big. They did really well for him. If he wanted to make money for the tabloids and magazines, he would run those stories so it was to his detriment in some way. At least from a financial or business angle to not run her story and he did indicate from the stand he did it to help the campaign but again, no indication President Trump was never part of that conversation. John Fox News Sunday, shannon, obviously this will fill a large part of your agenda . It will. Its one of the reasons we have Jonathan Turley with us. We also have senators j. D. Vance and chris murphy both sides of the aisle covered and i sat Down With Retired justice breyer. Got to ask him about a lot of Current Events very whats happening on campuses, the First Amendment and pressure on justices to retire he is recently in that club so that much more on sunday. John looking forward to it, shannon, thank you. Sandra we will be watching for that. Meanwhile President Biden is finally weighing in on whether he is willing to face former President Donald Trump on a debate stage. Here is what he said earlier this morning in an interview with howard stern. I dont know if you are going to debate your opponent. I am somewhere, i dont know when. Im happy to debate him. Sandra no President Trumps Campaign Says they want that to happen. A Senior Advisor saying okay lets set it up. So we will see if there is any immediate action after the president said that, john, because there has been some clues given on the Biden Campaign that he was not willing to debate so we will see how this goes. John the commission on president ial debates is sure hoping there will be debates. The first want to schedule i think late september. Although the Trump Campaign has said they want to move that up because i believe early voting in some states begins in the middle of september. So they want voters to have a chance to see the candidates had to head before they start casting ballots. We will see if anything moves or if biden actually agrees to debate. Sandra this has been seen as a healthy part of the process you would assume the American Public wants to see it as well. John we look forward about this fall meantime, this. [chanting] are you doing this . Spewing antiisrael protests on College Campuses across the land shown no signs of slowing down. Even as police intervene. We are live on campuses all across the country coming up next. Sandra plus with keeping our eyes on the courthouse in manhattan testimony on the criminal trial against former President Donald Trump will be back underway soon. Will we hear from the former president on his way back into the courtroom . We are always listening for that. We have the story covered from all angles are allstar panel will join us next. Feeling claritin clear is like. [cat meow] is she . Letting her imagination run wild even though she has allergies. Yeah. Call leaffilter today. And never clean out clogged gutters again. Leaffilters Technology Keeps debris out of your gutters for good. Guaranteed. Call 833. Leaf. Filter today, or visit leaffilter. Com. [chanting] we will fight, we will fight exmac sandra into israel protesters causing more and more chaos in College Campuses all over the country than half the nations top 50 universities have been facing protest over the past ten days now. We have Fox Team Coverage for you. Cb cotton at Columbia University here new york city. Jonathan serrie in atlanta at Emory University and we start with griff jenkins. He is in our Nations Capital at this hour at George Washington university. Graph, what have you been hearing from students there . Well, sandra, we have a momentary break and all the chanting thats been going on since the sun came out. There is some sort of speaker addressing the crowd now but for the second day in a row students from area schools like georgetown, american have converged here. I want to give you a closer look of a situation in the background the you yard as they call it back at g. W. The that was supposed to be cleared out by 7 00 last night the students divided now they remain here with no plans we are learning from the authorities to move them. But there are a handful of jewish students here that feel threatened by the rhetoric they hear from the crowd the River To The Sea chance that youve been hearing in earlier today speaking with one of the jewish students at g. W. David delarosa while we were interviewing him was having an encounter with another one of the students, listen to this. This is our university. Im on public space. This is a public street. This is a public street. I believe in the freedom of speech. I believe in the freedom of protest. [speaking over each other] you come here and call for a are calling for the leave dont play antisemitism with antisemitism im jewish. If you dont want to have a conversation you can turn ar around. Theres also a sign i want to show you that david took out here. You see on that final solution he says that some of the rhetoric and signs make him feel very uncomfortable here. Its unclear what will happen with this crowd. The seat here is being shut down by the police which are standing by. A gentleman shown appear in the last few minutes with an israeli flag as well a little bit of words exchanged here but so far its calm while there is some sort of speaker addressing the crowd, sandra . Sandra all right, Greg Jacksons stomach to mike jenkins that was acquired in exchange he showed us we will continue to get updates, john john meanwhile talks continue at Colombia University between School Officials and protesters as the deadline for them to clear out came and went. Now some proisrael demonstrators are pushing back on everything. Cb cotton live in columbia with the latest. Hi, john, more in the proisrael demonstration in a moment. This is the epicenter of the student propalestinian movement at Columbia University saying there has been more progress in its negotiations with student demonstrators, but the spokesperson added the nypd has not been called in to clear out the encampment. How is the lawn going to get cleared for the undergraduate Commencement Ceremony which is in about two weeks . The answer is not clear yet. John, if you listen to the Student Protesters, it sounds like they are running the show here. And at campuses across the country. Speak of the Precedent Set by at columbia has resulted in a way of a Police Brutality at several campuses nationwide. We are calling upon Columbia University to to vest, disclose, and provide amnesty for all students and faculty discipline in the movement for palestinian liberation. Those are our central demands and until those are met we will not be going anywhere. Minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar during the Student Protesters with her daughter yesterday. She told our fox affiliate all jewish students should be protected regardless of whether there progenocide or nt genocide. They held a rally to support your students saying they are being threatened and harassed. And one jewish woman reacted to representative omars statement. When she uses that word to describe them whether they are progenocide or nt genocide she