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motives and they're not bringing their personal life into that room. whereas your silly mate barely has an education, what kind of advice... peer pressure, yeah. and also, you know, you go up to your mate and you build yourself up and you go, "mate, i'm suffering with anxiety." "anxiety, what are you?" just because they've not suffered anxiety, you can't expect everyone to be able to help you with your issues. your, i hesitate to say professionaljourney, because we always use that word journey, it's a bit of a cliche... it's been a very bumpy road. yeah, but when i first met you five years ago and you were doing that documentary, you had been doing documentary work alongside your other stuff. now you're doing more and more, aren't you, of the social campaigning stuff? there's been that, if you like, has there been a reorientation that perhaps has taken you by surprise? when they looked at it, it's probablyjust because there's not that many working class voices. right. to be honest. if you weren't to have me sat here talking to you about this,