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knowledge of that time people had told so i probably would have - knowledge of that time people had i told so i probably would have known. lets look at this. this is another case around a similar time, 2nd of march 2011. this is the case of damien owen. was this a case you will also the investigating officer? you are involved in that case? hat you are involved in that case? not at all. you are involved in that case? not at all- you — you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't _ you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't see _ you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't see this - at all. you didn't see this dispensed _ at all. you didn't see this dispensed statement - at all. you didn't see this dispensed statement if . at all. you didn't see this | dispensed statement if we at all. you didn't see this - dispensed statement if we scroll down? 140 dispensed statement if we scroll down? ., ~ ., ., ., ., down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. _ down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. _ down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's- down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's return i down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's return to kha�* am damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's _ damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, _ damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, then. - damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, then. we i damien owen. ok. let's return to - khayyam ishaq's case, then. we have the defence statement, we've just seen the defence statement of mr owen's case. let's look at the statement in khayyam ishaq's case. this is august 2012. can we please turn over the page? this is a document that you would have seen at