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knowledge of that time people had told so i probably would have - knowledge of that time people had i told so i probably would have known. lets look at this. this is another case around a similar time, 2nd of march 2011. this is the case of damien owen. was this a case you will also the investigating officer? you are involved in that case? hat you are involved in that case? not at all. you are involved in that case? not at all- you — you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't _ you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't see _ you are involved in that case? not at all. you didn't see this - at all. you didn't see this dispensed _ at all. you didn't see this dispensed statement - at all. you didn't see this dispensed statement if . at all. you didn't see this | dispensed statement if we at all. you didn't see this - dispensed statement if we scroll down? 140 dispensed statement if we scroll down? ., ~ ., ., ., ., down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. _ down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. _ down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's- down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's return i down? no knowledge of that. not damien owen. ok. let's return to kha�* am damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's _ damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, _ damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, then. - damien owen. ok. let's return to khayyam ishaq's case, then. we i damien owen. ok. let's return to - khayyam ishaq's case, then. we have the defence statement, we've just seen the defence statement of mr owen's case. let's look at the statement in khayyam ishaq's case. this is august 2012. can we please turn over the page? this is a document that you would have seen at

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is a section on business and procedural weaknesses. and you say there, due to the circumstances given in explanation of the shortage, at this moment in time i can see no failures in security supervision, procedures or product integrity that should be brought to the attention of the contract manager. is it possible to bring on screen side by side your witness statement that we will take you to. page 1a of that statement please. thank you. on the left—hand side, if we go page m. you recall that that is the page that addresses the general questions that were put to you in your request for evidence to the inquiry. and you say there, for

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over the page, we have a number of disclosure requests that were made ijy disclosure requests that were made by the defence in khayyam ishaq's case. if we can scroll down a little more. we can see here the request of materials and all knowledge of the prosecution in existence whether in the hands of the prosecution of third parties that reasonably supports or is reasonably capable of supporting the contention that the post office horizon's hardware system has proved to be unreliable or inaccurate or the susceptible to man function or otherwise to the production of erroneous results. the results were the provision of final or internal and external investigation and require of reviews whether instigated by the post or another body

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to being aware whether there were in fact any problems? ii to being aware whether there were in fact any problems?— fact any problems? if they are not reported- to _ fact any problems? if they are not reported. to me,... _ fact any problems? if they are not reported. to me,... because i i reported. to me,... because i have no reason to investigate the system. can we please look at pol 00059269. i'm going to start at page iii. this is the statement from you and it says that the call logs for the period of 8th ofjuly 2022 the 11th of february 2011 requested from the national lock centre. those were examined and shown that no calls were made to mr ishaq during that period. if we look over the page,

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the time, isn't it?— document that you would have seen at the time, isn't it? yes. thank you. if we the time, isn't it? yes. thank you. if we scroll— the time, isn't it? yes. thank you. if we scroll down _ the time, isn't it? yes. thank you. if we scroll down this _ the time, isn't it? yes. thank you. if we scroll down this is _ the time, isn't it? jazz thank you. if we scroll down this is a document produced to set out the nature of the defendant's case. if we look at paragraph seven, that is over the page please. he states as follows, the nature of the defendant in relation to this allegation is that there was no appropriation of money is, the post office horizon's software had in the past of numerous occasions malfunction causing difficulties in reconciling sales, receipts stock figures. the defendant has reported this to the post office helpline seeking assistance but little or no successful assistance would have afforded to him despite requests. the defendant had of necessity to make certain adjustments of the system so as to ensure that the sales receipt and stock figures reconciled. if we carry on please

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please. now. let's look at uk 611 0001429, please. first of all, is this your writing. can you assist us how he would have gone about taking a statement. i would have gone about taking a statement-— statement. i would have made arrangements _ statement. i would have made arrangements to _ statement. i would have made arrangements to see - statement. i would have made arrangements to see mr - statement. i would have made arrangements to see mr patel| statement. i would have made - arrangements to see mr patel and then the questions here. is arrangements to see mr patel and then the questions here.— then the questions here. is this verbatim as _ then the questions here. is this verbatim as you _ then the questions here. is this verbatim as you spoke - then the questions here. is this verbatim as you spoke to - then the questions here. is this verbatim as you spoke to him? | then the questions here. is this| verbatim as you spoke to him? i wouldn't say that the bait to the extent of every word. it's the, what he sort of said. and he would read it and check it afterwards at the end of it before signing it. lets have a look _ end of it before signing it. lets have a look towards _ end of it before signing it. lets have a look towards the bottom of the page, please. just returning to your evidence earlier today where

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document. is to let the security team know. as _ document. is to let the security team know. as the _ document. is to let the security | team know. as the investigating officer, team know. as the investigating officer. it's _ team know. as the investigating officer. it's a — team know. as the investigating officer, it's a memo _ team know. as the investigating officer, it's a memo it's - team know. as the investigating officer, it's a memo it's not i team know. as the investigating officer, it's a memo it's not a i officer, it's a memo it's not a letter, is this effectively mmo for your letter, is this effectively mmo for ou ., ., , letter, is this effectively mmo for ou ., ., . can letter, is this effectively mmo for you— can we - letter, is this effectively mmo for you_ can we scrolli your attentionyes. can we scroll over the page. _ your attentionyes. can we scroll over the page, please. - your attentionyes. can we scroll over the page, please. we i your attentionyes. can we scroll over the page, please. we can i your attentionyes. can we scroll i over the page, please. we can see at the very bottom it is from rob wilson who at that time was the head of the criminal law team. that wilson who at that time was the head of the criminal law team.— of the criminal law team. that is correct. of the criminal law team. that is correct- if _ of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you _ of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you look _ of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you look at _ of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you look at the i of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you look at the top i of the criminal law team. that is correct. if you look at the top of| correct. if you look at the top of the current _ correct. if you look at the top of the current page _ correct. if you look at the top of the current page he _ correct. if you look at the top of the current page he says, i correct. if you look at the top of the current page he says, you i correct. if you look at the top of l the current page he says, you will be aware of the provisions for the criminal procedure and investigations act 1996 concerning disclosure. please confirm whether there is any material that might reasonably be considered capable of undermining the prosecution case or assisting the defence case which has not already been disclosed. please also let me have various forms. so that as a test that you were aware of. . �* . that as a test that you were aware of. ., �* , . ., . , that as a test that you were aware of. . ., of. that's correct, they are all the forms for the _ of. that's correct, they are all the forms for the committee - of. that's correct, they are all the forms for the committee for i of. that's correct, they are all the forms for the committee for the l forms for the committee for the committal.

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please, we can show the line i've just taken you to. it's at the bottom of that page. it says, during the subsequent transfer of cash and stock after mr ishaq's suspension in february 2011 no problems or discrepancies had been reported. we have a statement saying that i have obtained the call logs from july 2010 to february 2011 and mr ishaq can reported during that period. and you had at the bottom that no problems or discrepancies had been reported. by that particular stage, you hadn't in fact spoken to the subsequent postmaster. that would have been done _ subsequent postmaster. that would have been done in _ subsequent postmaster. that would have been done in the _ subsequent postmaster. that would have been done in the transfer- subsequent postmaster. that would have been done in the transfer from the old postmaster to the new postmaster. the incoming postmaster, mr patel has agreed this £10,000 of cash, the stamp books, so many of these. he's agreed that everything in the office at that time. so

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functioning of the post office horizon. if we turn the page. and guidance an e—mailfrom an e—mail from september 2012. it has come from cartwright king. an e-mail from september 2012. it| has come from cartwright king. this is an e-mail — has come from cartwright king. this is an e-mail sent, _ has come from cartwright king. this is an e—mail sent, you are included on the distribution list. who was sarah porter, do you recall? your mac i'm not sure if that was

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