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they don't happen very often. a couple hundred over the last several years. they had this somewhat arbitrary cutoff of 12 years old, saying above that they can be on the adult list and below that, i think there is not enough data for people under the age of 12. >> sanjay appreciate that. thanks. we wish sarah and her family the best. >> you can find her story at cnn.com. more breaking news tonight. fire out west and one fire is growing larger, moving in two directions at once. we'll take you to the fire lines. >> also, later, ariel castro pleading not guilty for holding three women captive for years. it's hard to imagine what the victims are going through. we'll talk to a therapist that helped treat jaycee dugard after her captivity. we'll talk to her ahead. how can i help you? oh, you're real? you know i'm real!