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>> going for pack rats is really an homage, an acknowledgement of an important earlier time when that was all there was. the 25-year great drought. >> as a city boy, i am greatly relieved these little critters are for the medicine man and we won't actually be eating any of them. instead linda, ivan's wife, is preparing a pretty traditional menu. >> nothing is wasted when our big game is brought home. we dry up and dehydrate the bone. >> deer bone stew, red chili stew cooked with dried elk and potatoes, pinto beans with chicos, that's roasted dried corn, and tortillas. and of course more chilies. >> we call this dish push-around chili. because you push around. >> you push it around until you see the one you want. >> the chilies in the state are magical. >> the seeds have been passed on from generation to generation

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