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>> reporter: but animal rights groups have long been calling for a ban on the rides, citing accidents like these. and they say the animals are forced to live in conditions they say is inhumane. >> no matter what they say, the horses are really not kept in a good condition. >> reporter: the mare -- mayor says he is open to suggestions. >> the horses are the star. it's not the car. it's not the carriage. it's not me. that's what people come for. you can't create that with an electric car. you'll never create it. kids can't pet fenders. they pet horses. >> reporter: the two sides are going back and forth. the animal rights activists say it's not right for the animals to be in an urban setting. meanwhile, the carriage drivers are fighting for their jobs. they say that the horses are actually being treated well.