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and look at the media guide and what they're majoring in, it makes you want to cringe. the other thing that people can relate to out there, if you just listen to some of these athletes talk in interviews, your first response is what college did they go to? so this has been going on for a long period of time. not just at the university of north carolina, but this is particularly bad. >> so this doesn't shock you? >> no, not at all. listen, right here in atlanta, back in the early 1980s, the university of georgia had this huge scandal, it was called the jan kemp scandal. she was an english teacher and she exposed georgia for having a slew of football players who could not read or write. in other words, illiterate. so that was back in the early 1980s. here we go, fast forward to around 2000 to 2004. same university of georgia. another scandal.