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afghanistan who might otherwise have been hoping to get out. the process for getting out had become profoundly fraught. there were deaths associated with it, crash deaths, which was also used as a reason why the taliban were stopping it, and, of course, it's an appalling look for them to come to power amidst a mass exodus of some of the best educated people in the country. it's an appalling political beginning, and they recognize that, i think, and they're trying to prevent it. but ultimately, really, what they're trying to do is bring this chapter to a close so they can continue with their efforts to try to pacify the country. they've only got 75,000 men under arms, it's a big country and it's highly fractured, anderson. >> i appreciate you being there, thank you. operational major overseas military operations, leon panetta joins us as well as