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or one of the -- greatest brazilian that we have a head. it was like an ambassador -- around the world -- brazilian people talk to you about pelé and he was retired for almost 50 years. so, the legend and the legacy that pelé leads for brazil and also for world sports -- and i think not only world sports -- is huge. -- i think no one can see how a sports player and a football player can have this influence that he had, and the legacy to be taken forever. >> marcelo bechler, explain to us a little bit, if you can, what led to him becoming so revered around the world? because, if i understand correctly, he spent most of his career in brazil. but his fame was on a global scale. >> yes. at that time, and at 50-60 and also in the 70s, he went to play in the u.s. -- but at that time, football was