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generations as we can? absolutely. but it is nuts to try to blame social security and blame working americans who pay for the program and suggest that social security is in any way responsible for the national debt. it simply is not. >> i'm glad you brought your trademark white board. and luckily you didn't need to write the whole national debt number on it. you just needed to write zero. but, to this point, the overall debt number is immense, right? the debt since the last time we were on a brink of a default, 2011 when we lost that first credit rating. as you know, the debt has more than doubled. and today our debt dwarves our economy. so you've got debt 134% of what our economy produces in a year. when you've looked at that in other countries, it has gone before destroying a standard of living for generations. does america need to cut something big time? >> i do think we always want to

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