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>> david, you haven't presented him as a victim of a witch hunt, but you have said you believe there are significant holes in an indictment that the former attorney general seems to believe is pretty rock solid. what are they? >> well, first of all, my issue with former attorney general barr is i think that every lawyer has an obligation to point out the presumption of innocence, to the extent he says, well, if this thing is true or even halfway true is very damning. it's a serious indictment, and every federal case or other case has to be taken seriously, but there are defenses to the case, and i don't think it's fair to judge any case based on the indictment. it would be like watching the prosecution put on their case without any cross examination and saying, well, he must be guilty. so the allegations are serious, but they're just allegations at this point. listen, i think there are plenty of defenses including it's a very interesting choice to choose the statute of the 31