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document and was something i shouldn't have been seeing. that corroboration from the firsthand witnesses, i think. >> because you dug in on that, can we just go even deeper about who we're talking about here? >> we know from our reporting that among the people in this room, there were two people unidentified they are working on an auto biography of mark meadows. at the time, trump was in the habit of having his staffers record any conversation. so he knew he was being recorded. he worked with him for a long time. we know they have spoken to the grand jury. what's so interesting is they played this tape for her. and that's how the trump team found out about it. we learned the first time they were aware of this piece of evidence was when somehow the grand jury or the prosecutors already had this recording.