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that is my concern there. >> if he were to have a loyalist in their who just is a mouthpiece, and it sounds like you really do have faith in the military. how do you think the military would handle it if given unlawful orders by civilian leadership? >> i think, for the most part, most of them would refuse unlawful orders and they would be faced with resigning or being fired by the president. my concern was always not that is much as. for example, the situation i faced was calling up the national guard. an insurrection act to be used against protesters. for the most part, none of that is illegal. certainly not unconstitutional but in my view, it would be a very inappropriate solution to an issue that the president may be trying to address. those are the trickier questions that are legal but inappropriate. >> what happens then?