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and is it a strong second? does nikki haley have a prayer going into new hampshire, or is this over? >> look, nothing is over. >> he was on the phone too. >> the talking to the same folks, west branch, iowa shout out. the important thing to also remember is the governor of the state, kim reynolds, popular governor, bob vander plaats, evangelical leader, both notably declined to endorse donald trump. they backed ron desantis. >> right. >> so the top leaders in iowa have been looking for an alternative to donald trump. look, the responsibility in iowa is disproportionate, but especially this year. >> we should just remember now that we're really in it, it's not just about trump. turnout matters because it matters about delegate allocation. now we're in the race for delegates. it's 40 delegates coming out of iowa. so part of the reason that trump wants a big showing is yes,