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the pulse does not match the polls because if it's right, everyone in my basement, there voting for trump. that's not the case. that's not the case. they're very appreciative of what he did but they always followed up with the but. and i believe we need to win and 2024 and we need to turn the page and that's where i believe there will be a break for desantis tomorrow night. >> what indications do see of the break? it's something we see based on your interactions with evangelical voters. >> this is not my first rodeo. i was there with mike huckabee and. santorum but i would say that ron desantis has by far built the best organization that i have seen in the iowa caucuses. >> wow. because ted cruz had a really good organizations. >> and now i would say that