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only ones that have strong support amongst bedrock republican conservative voters. to win a republican nomination, have you to be able to do that. >> does it concern you in a republican contest that it's not sort of more of the republicans and it's more of the democrats, particularly the independents? >> no, because it's exactly what i told the republican party they should do. to me, republicans lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president. that's nothing to be proud of. we should want to win the majority of americans. >> you know, that's primary rhetoric versus general elections rhetoric. ron desantis is making a clear argument saying he's the only one with the ceiling for the base republican voter. that's reflected when we talk to people. they often see nikki haley as a creature of the establishment or someone who reflects more of a moderate, independent slice or that's not where the base of the party is. haley is pointing to the general election talking about where republicans have faltered over the past couple of years. the problem is, she's got to get there first. >> she's making the electability