haven't been able to get to the site because of the weather. because those first responders who were on scene did share some observations with us. some of them that you relate i think are very important. there was no post crash fire. i think that contributed to the survivability of the accident for those four survivors. but definitely a lot of challenges. it was very slippery, very wet, muddy. the terrain was very challenging for the responders and the survivors and the people who were trying to evacuate them off the mountain, it was a real challenge for them. i know a lot of work still to do. >> i heard you say in a prior press conference yesterday, thank the lord that those rescuers were there because they were able to reach them, the volunteers, before the actual rescuers were able to get there. do you have any idea from people who were able to see the scene how is it that four people were able to survive, yet five others lost their lives? were they in different parts of the plane? was it and amount of luck