back your time and energy. i see so many people that have so much they can give back. and a little bit it's just channelling ways that people can then do that. >> so obviously giving not just for the super rich. but ali, interesting, she talked after that about the inequity in the world. and said the reason the gates foundation also invests so much in education is because she and bill see that as the great equalizer. >> absolutely. and they've been on that for a long time that issue. interesting, though, she talked about donations of time and knowledge, not just money. >> not just money. >> for the less wealthy, just the idea you can dedicate yourselves to things. and we focus on that a lot. people who are not necessarily wealthy, but they do things. >> it's an interesting time because as you heard her say in the interview, countries like the uk that have austerity measures, they're asking their own citizens to pull back. they have stuck to their promise of giving. so she says, you know, where you have donor countries pulling back, they're really hurting the