computer, but a lot of the game controllers now for xbox and everything have internet capacity. they can get on -- you think they're playing a video game. >> you can be bullied on xbox or one of these games. >> yeah, you can be -- you can go online there. on the cell phones. now you can connect to the internet on the cell phone. so they can find these kids everywhere. that's the upside of the technology. but the downside is there are no boundaries, and they can do it anonymously. >> and rosalind, when kids are bullying online, do they think that's somehow different than bullying face to face in school? >> they think it's different. they think it's not as bad. >> these internet companies know this is going on, but i guess they feel they're like the phone company, not responsible for how people are using it. >> well, some of the major companies now i think are realizing that cyberbullying is a problem, and they're trying to take some measures to educate the users and parents about what's going on. but you're right. i mean, in general some sites just take an approach that this isn't my responsibility. people are going to misuse our site, and there's nothing we can really do about that.