in the past. >> all right. so the national federation of independent businesses, independent business, just surveyed its members and announced yesterday an increase. although a very small one in the number of jobs that members were offering. so were you surprised to hear that so few jobs were created in november? >> yeah. it was kind of surprising. really for the second month in a row we've seen an uptick in at least plans to hire but i think darlene really summed it up well in what the other speaker said. uncertainty and caution is really what small business owners are facing right now. what we've seen over the last two years in the monthly survey is sales are down. demand just isn't there. until that demand is filled there will be less need to hire new workers and you'll have to figure out what we do with the workers we had. throw on top of that a lot of policy changes, health care costs, expiring tax rates, uncertainty about what your tax liabilities will be. really leaves small business owners asking a lot of questions. that's what we're hearing from our 350 members nationwide. they are not sure what the landscape is going to be. until they see more certainty,