took a big risk. he knew he was taking a risk. he said to me it's worth it, because my life is such a disaster at this point. he's been taking them for six, seven years now. just got written up in a medical journal. that's why we're doing this story now. >> and has he felt the effects of the bad stuff that might happen that these worms could normally -- >> he said he's been fine. i've got to tell you, when i called a prominent gastroenterologists about this, they nearly blew a gasket. so there is the don't try this at home message. i want to make that clear. >> this was a very empowered patient. >> this is a very empowered patient. not many people fly to thailand, get worm eggs out of stool and follow swallow. he decided the risk was worth taking. he was aware of the risks he was taking. you do not want to try this at home. a lot of people think this guy is not very smart. other doctors think he's brilliant for being willing to