well, this has been all about trying to find answers, trying to really get to the bottom of some of these issues. we've made repeated attempts to try to get in touch with the governor of louisiana, to talk about these issues, and we've been repeatedly turned down. we made an appointment here at the department of health and hospitals in louisiana. we flew to baton rouge and had a scheduled appointment, and at the last moment they literally cancelled on us. at the department of environmental quality, another roadblock. what we've heard so far they're not going to let you guys into the meeting. does that surprise you? >> yes, today, that surprises me. 20 years ago, no. but today yes. i mean, what are they fearful of? >> we just keep coming back. this is not the last time we'll be here. we'll be coming back again. so they may as well get ready for and accept us now. all we want to let them do is let them know that mossville is still suffering. there are people there still dying. >> let's give them a call and see if i can't help get you into the meeting. i'm literally calling into that building now.