country. i recall when i hear commentators talk about paul ryan's courage. because to me it is the ultimate in cowardice to ask those who have the least to make the most sacrifice. we could go back to the clinton era tax levels -- >> let me -- >> -- no, but the wage stagnation, 30 years of an assault on the working class, and now paul ryan and the republicans asking for tax cuts for the richest, that is -- >> -- let me just show you something because, look, i'll give you your fair shot, trust me, i will. when we're putting the tax rates merely back to where they were -- i would like to see them go back to where they were under president clinton during this period. here are the numbers. 22.8 million jobs created when marginal rates were 39. the argument of the causation between lowering marginal rates, job creation, simply isn't born out economically. >> what about the kennedy tax cuts, they did -- >> -- did not create jobs --